Mafia 2 - I Left My Heart in San Francisco - Day 3

Im looking forward to hearing what pete has to say

See ya later dear.

Thian,

I know it may seem my vote is reactionary but it really isn't. Ever since the results of last round I reread the round and just felt that you did what you could to convince people to vote Kyle. Yeah he did a good job of convincing people to vote him as well but I also thought your vote on PhocQ was weird and how you retracted your vote cause a bandwagon started.

I didn't have any clue that Kyle was the detective, had I had any clue I would have retracted my vote on him. One thing that sticks in my mind is how he voted for PhocQ, said it was cause you voted for him similar to how he voted derB in my witches game and figured you were in the know. How could you be in the know if he was the detective. Nothing about the way he played made him seem like he was the detective and that is why I said he should have said something, anything that would have alerted us to the fact that lynching him would be bad for the town. He played badly in that he didn't protect himself enough and actually helped bury himself.

as for Dragonldy, she is not off my rader, no one is, but I just don't think she is as suspicious as some other people. I also think Tiffani made some really good points regarding the way Dragonldy plays when she does have a role and when she doesn't. I think it is more likely she doesn't have a role. I had voted for her last round to get her talking. I voted for her round one cause of her comment regarding Cam. I will say though, if Cam is lynched and does end up being Mafia then Dragonldy would be suspect #1 for me.

and go ahead and ask me questions, I'll be happy to answer them, I have nothing to hide

Day 1
Cam: 5 votes of 6 (Thian, derB, PhocQ, Kyle, Stacie)


Day 2
Kyle: 6 votes of 6 (Thian, PhocQ, Pete, Tiffani, Cam, Stacie)

On both days Thian put his vote out first. If nobody took the bait he changed it until others voted with him. Then Stacie comes along with her "bandwagon" strategy to either drop the hammer or attempt to drop the hammer.

Stacie, your bandwagon thing just seems like an excuse to me. It's one thing to jump on bandwagons, it's another thing to come right out at the start telling us you are going to do nothing but that. Like it can absolve you of any responsibility.


Whether you two are Mafia or not, you have to admit this looks really bad on you. lol


As for my guess on the 3rd mafia. At this point I would have to guess Mandie.

I only voted to lynch Kyle, because I was going for the majority. I had no clue he was the detective.. I didn't even know if he was a baddie or not. I told you guys from day one that I was going to vote with Majority. That should have been no surprise. It didn't matter who it was. It was almost PhocQ until everyone started to retract their vote.

I am just a townsperson, and until I figure out how to play these games better, you guys are just gonna have to trust me.

Stacie, who do you think seems the most suspicious to you right now?

Ya know what, I dont think I will change my mind this round, it's likely but not very, so Im just gonna go ahead and place my vote on Cam.

I Vote to Lynch Cam.

PhocQ wrote:

Day 1
Cam: 5 votes of 6 (Thian, derB, PhocQ, Kyle, Stacie)


Day 2
Kyle: 6 votes of 6 (Thian, PhocQ Pete, Tiffani, Cam, Stacie)


Whether you two are Mafia or not, you have to admit this looks really bad on you. lol

Hmmmmm. As for my guess on the 3rd mafia. At this point I would have to guess ...

But seriously folks:

Boyd wrote : Also by creating a potential bandwagon lynching where the lynched does indeed turn out to be an innocent the creator of that bandwagon would jump to the top in my mind as mafia.


DerB was on the bandwagon to lynch Cam on Day One
DerB originally voted for Tiffani Day two
When the vote was three against Kyle and a bandwagon was forming, DerB pushed a blind lynching while claiming that he himself didnt suspect Kyle, giving himself plausible deniability. Suddenly Kyle was lynched.

I tried to warn everyone here what blind lynching would do. I tried to explain that we were more likely to kill one of our own than a mafia. It's called mathematics. But some people like DerB instigate while claiming the high ground...and we kill the detective. Are you kidding me!

My first real vote of this game ( for those keeping track )

I vote to lynch DerB

Well, after reading Boyd's post, I'm guessing it's DerB, but I also have a feeling PhocQ could very well indeed be a mafia member. I think Kyle wasn't just guessing there, when he suspected him, so I'm leaning toward voting for him. Those are the two I'm alternating between.

DEADLINE for Day 3 - Sunday, March 20th - 10:00pm EDT

VOTES: (Majority of 5 needed to lynch)

Pete: 1 Vote of 5 (Thian)
Thian: 2 Votes of 5 (derB, Pete)
Cam: 1 Vote of 5 (Mandie)
derB: 1 Vote of 5 (Sir Boydly)

Pending votes: 4
Cam, Stacie, PhocQ, Dragonldy

Wow. the votes are really spread out. I've got to think about this a little more before I vote. Tiffani must have been onto something, so I need to go back and read her posts.

Hey all! I'm at work tomorrow and then St. Patties. So yeah I can't really play. I will say I am surprised that Thian and Mandie are trying to stir something up about me though. Are you really surprised that I'm playing the same way I always play these games? I give input where I can, but for the most part I'm pretty quiet. Yes when it's end-game I speak up more, because that's when everyone hints at their roles more heavily.

I don't think both of them are mafia, because that would be way too obvious for 2 people to push heavily for the same person to be lynched. Could be 1 or none of them are though. My view is that one is misguided and thinks I'm mafia, and the other actually is mafia, and is trying to jump on board to get a lynch going.

Voting deadline is on Sunday though so I'm not placing a vote yet. I still need to hear more to make a decision.

Sir Boydly Boydster wrote:

But seriously folks:

Boyd wrote : Also by creating a potential bandwagon lynching where the lynched does indeed turn out to be an innocent the creator of that bandwagon would jump to the top in my mind as mafia.

I definitely agree with you on that, Boyd but I don't understand how you took that logic and went after Derb, not Thian. AS I said in my last post it was Thian who created the bandwagon for both Cam and Kyle. By your own logic, Thian would be the most suspicious but instead of going after him you are going after the person who voted for Thian.


I do not think you are mafia, Boyd but I am concerned that you are going to let your personal feelings about me affect your perception of me in this game. Your post suggesting that I was the 3rd mafia doesn't even make sense. You suggested that I was the 3rd mafia member who was outing the other 2 mafia members? lol I understand you don't like me but unfortunately if we are both innocent we are going have to find a way to work together to catch the mafia. If you don't think my thoughts are correct I don't mind you debating them. But trying to discredit me simply cause you don't like me doesn't do anyone any good.


Stacie what is it about me that makes you suspicious? Do you think I purposely called out people last round and antagonized them because I was mafia? Do you really think a mafia member would make a post that they knew would lead to people voting for them? Who is more likely to do something that puts them at risk.. a townie trying to figure out who the mafia is, even if it means they might get lynched or a Mafia member who only cares about saving their own hide?











I vote to lynch Thian.


What's the point of having a voting history if we are just going to close our eyes to the evidence it gives us?

I have no doubt that if it were my name that appeared first in the list of people who voted Cam and Kyle, I would have been lynched already.

DEADLINE for Day 3 - Sunday, March 20th - 10:00pm EDT

VOTES: (Majority of 5 needed to lynch)

Pete: 1 Vote of 5 (Thian)
Thian: 3 Votes of 5 (derB, Pete, PhocQ)
Cam: 1 Vote of 5 (Mandie)
derB: 1 Vote of 5 (Sir Boydly)

Pending votes: 3
Cam, Stacie, Dragonldy

Wait, wha...?

Boyd- I am not sure I understand why you voted for me. I voted for Cam because I felt he was a good point to explore after Dragonldy said he was innocent, and Tiffani after she appeared to act strangely reactionary. We never reached a lynch on Cam, so there is no proof I was right or wrong to vote him, and I retracted my vote for Tiff because I realized she might have been the detective (I was wrong, obviously).

The reason I thought Tiff was the detective, is that when I was typing up a long inquisition as to why she kept her vote on Dragonldy round one, yet round two went to say she was the most innocent in her mind, it occurred to me one of two things are likely be true: She is the detective and investigated Dragonldy, clearing her, or she is mafia and is covering for something, aka trying to look like a good guy to Dragonldy or protecting a fellow mafia.

If you want to lynch somebody, I think it would be a good idea to look at those people who were using "Kyle was acting strange/unusual", or are wholly marginalizing his game as an excuse for lynching him. It was his second game. Of course this game is going to feel different than the last one when Kyle is concerned because he probably learned something about how to play the game and was incorporating it into this one.



Stacie: I think Kyle's vote on PhocQ in round 2 was a total guess. He was the detective, so I am sure he did not investigate PhocQ, since he voted for him then retracted (If he did investigate PhocQ, he would have gotten a clear answer, innocent or guilty, and would A- not have a reason to vote him since he was innocent, or B- not have a reason to retract since he knew he was guilty. I think whoever he did investigate (I think it's most likely Cam, but may be Dragonldy a close 2nd, then everybody but PhocQ) turned out to be innocent. This does not clear or incriminate PhocQ 100%, so it is still right to suspect him, but I don't think the fact that Kyle had voted him is enough to incriminate him.



Dragonldy: If Tiff was onto anything, it would have been you or PhocQ, as aside from Kyle she didn't have any votes cast, and since I don't feel strongly about PhocQ being mafia, well...

She had her vote on you at the end of round one, and then completely flipped and decided you were innocent by the end of round two. Insinuating that she was "right" about this only serves to raise my eyebrow that much higher.

dear phocQ it has come to my attention that perhaps your snowman capabilities have been very seedy.

First you attempt to incriminate stacie and me, and then the easiest lynch at this point, would be me.

townies, listen up. There is something called, incriminating the bandwagon leader, for leading the group astray.

it is an easy lynch because its the easiest excuse to come up with for mafia.

Pete has done it, phocQ is doing it. Pete, if you don't realize, PART of mafia is trying to convince people what you see, is what you see. it didn't help that kyle incriminated himself with some of his posts either.

boyd pointed out something interesting too, that phocQ was on the same lynches that he tries to use against me and stacie.

More often than not the highest suspicious spots on a lynch will be.
the bandwagon leader. the third or fourth vote, and obviously the last depending upon excuses.

the EASIEST spot for mafia to hide is the middle of the pack, they won't catch much attention if they keep their head low.


Now that derB and pete have muscled their vote on me because I lead a mislynch, phocQ has decided to jump on.


who ever is expecting a mafia lynch day one or first lynch on day 2 ((which was technically day one)) is severly mislead since mathmatically, your chances of hitting mafia on first lynch is lower than hitting a town... is just begging for lady luck on their side.

So PhocQ, why did you ignore the fact that you were on the same lynches as stacie and I?

Why would you bring up two names you suspect who were on the same lynch? well the reason actually is so you can divide the suspicion off of you and onto two other poeple.

Yet if you look at it as

Thian, PhocQ and Stacie. Well now you have 3 suspects.


Also pete. my phocQ vote, was to see who would jump onto a bandwagon. My vote on PhocQ was a ploy.

How can I proove it was a ploy?! well it was a ploy because I voted him for an idiotic reason((him being a snowman)). Kyle moved his vote over with no reason ((if you can't remember the arguement, please go back and read)). His reasoning after that I saw flaws in it.

I'm not here to take sole responsibility for the lynch of the detective. I am here because now I have brought clues to the table as to a potential mafia member and who sheeped the hardest or who tried to blend in the most to make them seem so lost and confused.

Pete, who's your second guess at mafia please. someone NOT on the lynch. preferrably.

Thian,
honestly I gotta say it is hard for me to say who I think is most suspicious because before last round ended I wasn't suspicious of you but then looking back on everything it was the only thing that really stood out to me. Doesn't mean there are not other things to look at but it is just front and center.

That being said, it does seem a little too front and center for you to be mafia, thinking over it, but you are just so good at explaining your case and I'm not very good at explaining anything. I try to explain everything I think and always don't explain it well or don't know how to.

The one thing that I think needs to be looked are things that have happened over the first two days that have been overlooked, forgotten or just seen as not that important. I still think there is something to Dragonldy's comment, but then I think there isn't cause she doesn't seem like she has a role, but she had that comment.

I do find it interesting that PhocQ is targeting you for the reasons stated, and yet he fits the bill on both votes as well. There could be something behind that.

I understand what you are saying regarding your PhocQ vote, I do, however that reason also seems a little too convenient as well. I feel it is something Mafia would do to confuse people and keep themselves from being lynched.

I think the interesting thing that you, Stacie and PhocQ all voted on the majority votes day 1 and day 2: Cam and Kyle. I am feeling that one of you three is most likely mafia, I just cannot shake that feeling and you fit the bill the strongest to me. Then again, Stacie could be using being new as her excuse to keep her from being targeted and to explain her dropping the hammer (or trying to). Also now I do feel a little more wary of PhocQ than I did previously. I honestly think that this round I am sticking with one of you three as my vote, as that is what I feel strongest about. If I am wrong then lynch me but that is just what I'm seeing at this time

Thian, again, your post imo, screams innocent. You are not mafia. If people vote for you, they will be wrong.



So, I am going to try something different. I am going to call a little meeting here.

I still feel that Pete, Thian, Stacie and Donna are innocent. I REALLY believe this. With the four of you and myself, we make 5 majority. So put aside what you think about this game for a minute and hear me out with open ears. If we five, stick together on this lynch and we ALL vote for Cam, we WILL lynch a mafia. If you are all innocent as I believe you are, what do you have to lose by listening to me? If I lead you all astray, lynch me next. But I am confident in myself and my ability to read people. I can not make you all trust me, however, I can ask, for one round, to put your faith and trust in me and let me help our town to victory. Lynch Cam, stop pointing fingers at each other and Lynch him. He is mafia.

Amanda, I am innocent. When/if I do get lynched... remember I'll be calling you all fools, because I am just a townsperson. Therefore, if you want me to vote for Cam, I will. I trust your instinct. You've been playing these games forever!

I am confident that Cam is Mafia.

My other suspects are the ones I havent listed as being innocent:
PhocQ
DerB
Boyd

I know that one is innocent but I havent been able to figure out which one yet.

wouldn't it be convenient if Boyd, PhocQ and derB were mafia lol This would be the death of me. LOL

Something though, has got me feeling derB may not be mafia. Only because he has been a bad role more often than a good role, and he has stated that on day one.

Mandie, I am not going to readily trust a large group like that right off. however, I can do a Cam lynch, but I'd rather wait until St patricks day is over and hear a full on analytical post from him before I make judgement.

Pete, these red herrings are what will lead you astray, "the obvious"

Let me ask you. Is it easier for mafia to blend, or be a trail blazer?

When I called out Cam, and you said you would be willing to lynch him, you and I became his targets. He tried to discredit us both. You dont have to believe that Donna, Pete and Stacie are innocent but I dont know why you wouldnt trust me for just one lynch.....?

Thian,
the thing that I think always screws the town is one thing and that is everyone looks at everyone the same. That is is easier to blend or be a trail blazer but it is better to go on a case by case situation. I feel that is why certain people are able to fool us so easily. That is why I am so nervous with you cause yeah you seem obvious but then you don't. I felt a lot more confident with my vote on you when I made it but I'm starting to be less and less confident on that.

for the time being I retract my vote for Thian

reason being is that I really am not as confident in that vote as I was and I don't want to make a mistake. I don't want to necessarily vote for Cam either yet because I'd like to hear more from him. We have until Sunday, no reason to rush this.

what I find funny is how you feel derB is innocent because he has been mafia so much recently but I have also had an evil role almost every game I have played recently. Just something to think about, not saying he is mafia or isn't, just that I don't like to play on odds, it just never really works. You may get lucky with it but it is nothing more than luck and that is my feelings with that.

^^^
Your point on derB is taken. He isn't out of the hot seat yet, however, I do feel more inclined to believe he is innocent. I will take a better look at derB when I get a chance.

Mandie, im gonna go read up on cam's last post. I actually didn't see him accusing or discrediting us, I am gonna go read it again.