Season 5 - Werewolf - Day 1

Michael! wrote:

Deetster, Jackie, Brant... you pretty much have identical safe lists. Do you each individually agree with every name you have written down, or are you merely trusting the judgement of the others and supporting them because they identified you as safe?

Lol, I just copied the lists that Deetster and Jackie made to put it on the current page so that we could talk about it more. I can't prove it, but I know that I'm safe, and their logic makes sense to me. I re-read the thread to see the posts associated with each person on the list, and I agree that the people on it have offered opinions seemingly less-wolfy than the rest and would be good people not to lynch this first day. I can't say they're not wolves for sure, and this game will certainly change, but I like the idea to help us this first round so the target isn't completely random.

I'll reiterate --- this first day, it's unlikely that we'll lynch a wolf, but I think we need to try because I just don't see what we can learn for tomorrow if we do nothing here. We need to have a discussion going, and a fundamental part of a helpful discussion is bringing up potential candidates to lynch like we're doing. In my opinion, the best candidates to lynch and most of the unsafe list (at least the key names that people are talking about targeting) are those who are least active and contributing the least to the discussion.

So we either get lucky and have a 3/14 chance in lynching a wolf (which hopefully the safe list increases our odds of doing for now) or we lynch a villager who wasn't contributing much anyway. It seems like the best idea to me.

Just got out of a loooooooooooong day of school so I'm epically tired and can't think about this game much at the moment. But I wanted to stop in give my two cents. I haven't seen anything yet that makes me suspect someone of being a wolf. This "good/bad list" stuff is basically just saying the people that are contributing and giving seemingly valid points are worth keeping around. Those that aren't, aren't. I understand that, in the sense that it's good to keep people that will actively try to flush out wolves and give reasoning to their logic. Could these people not be wolves though? It's so early. The people that usually talk a lot are still doing so. The "list" seems to be dividing people more into active/inactive, or less active participants.

Shouldn't people who are pro lynch be looked at as suspicious? Obviously wolves want to kill as many villagers as possible to get it down to 50/50 where they win. They want a lynch. Every single round. How they go about pushing for that has to be sneaky though. I think we should be looking at sneaky lynch-wanters. How do we go about figuring out who those people are? I don't know haha.

Michael! wrote:

Deetster, Jackie, Brant... you pretty much have identical safe lists. Do you each individually agree with every name you have written down, or are you merely trusting the judgement of the others and supporting them because they identified you as safe?

LOL hmmmm do I have my own opinion or not? I think so..... yes, I'm pretty sure. :p

By the way, I didn't label people as "safe" or "unsafe." I posted who I suspect more and who I suspect least. Please don't take it as an attack on you, or anyone here. Take it as a way to open up discussion a little more. And, by all means, feel free to contradict them. It's the only way we're going to get anywhere, in my opinion.

I love how this early in the game, any argument for lynching someone has an equal an opposite reason to not lynch them. No matter what direction we go, we will go in circles.

I think maybe because of last game, I feel like the people I DON'T want to lynch are people who are active and willing to put in their two cents. Having wolves being so quiet almost led to them winning. There was never any other evidence to them being a wolf other than they are being so quiet. And on the selfish side, wolves eat the more active villagers usually. So the more active villagers around me, the safer I feel.

So far I am not convinced that not lynching helps us enough to warrant the fact we give up one of the few days some of us might have to lynch someone. We are basically letting the wolves take a 1-0 advantage right off the bat just so we can sit and think some more.

well this seems fun. i think that people who start pointing fingers first maybe apart of "team wolf" *cough* jackie *cough* lol but the roles are random, so its hard to know who is a wolf or sorcerer or just a villager, seer or bodyguard. i would be posting a lot more if i was at home. which will be coming tomorrow night after a long ass bus ride home.. which should be fun..QQ.. but just my personal opinion is that who ever is the one pointing the finger is the one who seems suspicious. the wolves could not be necessarily quiet but everyone is playing there roles like they are a villager, just part of the game.

Journal Log Day 1 Part 5

I was startled awake by a small stone thrown at me by a young village child. He had muttered something to what appeared to be his older sister. I over heard, "Oh, he's alive".
Strange really, why would i have been dead? The day is progressing curiously. I must have slept a little longer than I had thought. Creeping past the door again, I could hear more shouting and talking. It really appeared to be going no where. I am tempted to knock on the door this time, but it might be best to keep quiet and see if I can hear much. I may even seek some food from a near by market. I am quite amazed at how large these cavern tunnels are.

Yours Faithfully,

Thian

Deadline for Lynch: 20 September 2010: 00:00EST This is Sunday Night/ Monday Morning.

Votes to Lynch

Pending Votes
Termy, Tiffani, Brant, Bryan, Vastfanatic, PhocQ, DragonTear, Kenya, Michael!, Pete, Dragonldy640, Dogdude84, Jackie, Deetster

DragonTear wrote:

well this seems fun. i think that people who start pointing fingers first maybe apart of "team wolf" *cough* jackie *cough* lol but the roles are random, so its hard to know who is a wolf or sorcerer or just a villager, seer or bodyguard. i would be posting a lot more if i was at home. which will be coming tomorrow night after a long ass bus ride home.. which should be fun..QQ.. but just my personal opinion is that who ever is the one pointing the finger is the one who seems suspicious. the wolves could not be necessarily quiet but everyone is playing there roles like they are a villager, just part of the game.

LOL well you're "pointing fingers" at me so does that make you suspicious? Earth to DragonTear but the game is actually about discussing who we think the wolves are versus villagers. Feel free to join in anytime.

DragonTear wrote:

the wolves could not be necessarily quiet but everyone is playing there roles like they are a villager, just part of the game.

I wish the wolves would stop trying to pretend they were villagers and start giving us some clues that they were wolves.

Maybe they could make an occasional howl or two in the night during their posts...

Dogdude84 wrote:

Just got out of a loooooooooooong day of school so I'm epically tired and can't think about this game much at the moment. But I wanted to stop in give my two cents. I haven't seen anything yet that makes me suspect someone of being a wolf. This "good/bad list" stuff is basically just saying the people that are contributing and giving seemingly valid points are worth keeping around. Those that aren't, aren't. I understand that, in the sense that it's good to keep people that will actively try to flush out wolves and give reasoning to their logic. Could these people not be wolves though? It's so early. The people that usually talk a lot are still doing so. The "list" seems to be dividing people more into active/inactive, or less active participants.

Shouldn't people who are pro lynch be looked at as suspicious? Obviously wolves want to kill as many villagers as possible to get it down to 50/50 where they win. They want a lynch. Every single round. How they go about pushing for that has to be sneaky though. I think we should be looking at sneaky lynch-wanters. How do we go about figuring out who those people are? I don't know haha.

Exactly.

But regardless I still say no lynch.

I'm Team Edward, which means I don't support werewolves.

I think anyone pushing so hard for a lynch in round one is suspicious. It's especially interesting so many people are siding with each other this early.

Also, thank you all for bringing my name up. It's actually making me remember to take a few minutes out of my busy schedule to look at the game.

I think we're siding with each other so early this time is because we don't want to be tricked again into lynching a villager over the actual wolves/sorcerer.

I mean with the safe list thing. And you weren't tricked. Everyone else was haha... I couldn't even believe it myself

True, of course I wasn't tricked.. you can't trick me

As far as that safe list goes, that was just my knee jerk inclinations.

It appears there isn't much to go off of, but I do feel most suspicious of those who are against a lynch. I just...idk.

I'm actually trying to stand back, and say, okay, if we were all in a room, and we KNEW 3 people were going to shoot one of us good ones during the night, would i grab the gun and shoot, or would I actually say "wait guys...let's not shoot, let's let them kill one of us, and then talk about that."

I think I would shoot. At least by shooting we might start to kill them. We WILL NOT kill a wolf if we don't go for it. That's just the rawest fact. I truly don't think I will gather ANYTHING from ANYONE dying.

Why don't the people who want to see someone die, just go ahead and tell us who dying would cause person X to be a target. Because if you guys aren't confident in your abilities to draw on these initial conversations to make a lynch here and now, I can't see how you think you'd have the ability to make a strong deduction to get a wolf just based on who dies...because that would be using these earlier interactions which by not lynching you seem to be promoting as not very useful anyway.

Kenya wrote:

I think we're siding with each other so early this time is because we don't want to be tricked again into lynching a villager over the actual wolves/sorcerer.

I'd beware of siding with people though, Jackie took a stand to side with me last game and look where it got her. People just automatically assume you're wolves together because you stick together.

But when you are a wolf you make it a point NOT to side with the other wolf. At least that's the way I looked at it the first time I played. And if more than one person is siding with another person.. like a whole 6 people or something.. it's hard to be like OMG THEY ARE WOLVES since there isn't that many lol

Ohai back from school. Getting starbucks. I mean...

Getting coffee from our local village shop?

Deetster, nobody is ever correct on the first lynch. Last game it took, like, four rounds.

well I wanted to check in before I leave the apartment to go get my Friday night on~ yet I still see we havent come to the conclusion to lynch or not to lynch. Maybe we could all have an offical vote, to lynch (yes) or not to lynch (no) and we could go from there. I dont know, debating whether we should or not seems to be getting us nowhere.

Just a thought.

Bryan wrote:

Deetster, nobody is ever correct on the first lynch. Last game it took, like, four rounds.

This is true, but that in no way means that knowing who dies, we will know anything more about who is a wolf, in my opinion, than we do now. Also, history at a time told us, well, the villagers will never win, and that was later proven to be wrong when we started playing better.

I think it also is just as likely that it could take us just as many ATTEMPTS to get a wolf as it did the last time, and if we let them strike first, our first attempt won't occur until one of us is already dead.

at this point I think the best move is to lynch someone, because of the role reveal and there is enough people who are against not lynching that I just don't feel it is worth pursuing at all. Let's lynch someone, but who? lets start discussing who we feel is a good enough person to lynch and move on from the no-lynch or lynch, cause it is getting us nowhere.

For me, the two people I feel would be a good first lynch are: Bryan + Termy. That is my first gut instinct, not sure if I'm right with either but I feel that Bryan plays this game really good and Termy got way too far last game, so those two are the two I suspect the most at this point.

I'm not positive about your reasoning for either of those two, but I actually would be leaning toward the lynching of either of those two.

I feel however that Bryan might be acting a little less agreeable than I would expect from a wolf at this point, however, if we are going to be referencing old games, I do remember Bryan mentioning one of his wolf tactics was to disagree with lynches even late into the game, because being disagreeable is something one would expect from a villager, and not from a wolf who is worried for their own fate.

the thing with Bryan is he is really good at making you think there is no way he is a wolf when he is. Same with being a sorcerer so that is why I feel he is someone to watch out for. I'm not saying he's definitely the one I want to lynch this round, same with Termy, just they are thoughts at this point and I want other people to counter my opinions to help come up with a decision.

Regarding Termy, the reason I am worried about him is because of how inactive he is, like he'll always show up but is never that active in discussions and won't post a whole lot that is helpful, and for this reason is part of the reason that the wolves almost won last time.

Yeah, I think that Bryan can definitely be a good wolf, but we only know that because he, unlike some of us (me included) has had the ability to be a wolf more than once, or at least hasn't had the "good" allignment, so we can't really rule someone as more wolfy because of how they did it well in the past, and overlook other in any way because they weren't wolves before.

I do think though that if Termy isn't a wolf, he won't bring as much to the table as other potential villagers, just based on activities, and contributions in relation to others up to this point.

Plus, he could very well be a wolf too!

Yeah, at this point you can't rule anyone out from being a wolf. I already did what Pete suggested - said who I suspected and who I thought seemed less "wolfy." That kind of got people pointing fingers at me but I feel it's just defensiveness. I would tend to point fingers more at someone who is not offering anything up than someone who is actually taking a chance and offering opinions and names.

I think with a first lynch no one wants to be the one to vote first because then, if we lynch a villager, people will use that against you. I don't think it can be helped, though. I really think for the most part, people have been more and more willing to talk in the beginning and I think that's really great.

I would agree to vote for either Bryan or Termy. I think Pete has a good point about the fact that Termy will "show up" but may not offer anything extremely enlightening. Bryan is a great player, and he holds back, lol. I guess the chances would be slim that he would be a werewolf for his third time but this is so random, who knows?