Season 5 - Werewolf - Day 1

Hey Guys .. Nice to see you all again

Hopefully, my previous life's evil ways don't cloud your judgement. I have seen the light and decided i should be baptized and become a full-fledged villager. I have sinned and gave my confession to the good lord of villagers.

Who to lynch first... beats me, however, when i was a "bad guy", i layed low for the sake of not become suspicious..would other wolves do the same or the opposiste, who knows....

Hate first round...

Journal Day 1 Part 2

This morning I met the elders. They had explained their situation to me and passed friendly gestures. Yet, I could tell something sinister was about to happen. I attempted a smile to some but I was quickly escorted to the doors to the Chamber Of Elders and promptly asked to leave.
They had business to attend to, as did I.

They had closed the doors behind me and I was left to my own devices.


I found myself captivated by a pool of water and the creatures that inhabited the tiny space. It reminded me of all of them locked behind those doors. How would this day end? Some of those people had lived here for centuries, entrusted with the secrets to these cavern walls. Now it must end for one of them, but for who?




Yours faithfully,

Thian


Deadline for Lynch: 20 September 2010: 00:00EST This is Sunday Night/ Monday Morning.

Votes to Lynch

Pending Votes
Termy, Tiffani, Brant, Bryan, Vastfanatic, PhocQ, DragonTear, Kenya, Michael!, Pete, Dragonldy640, Dogdude84, Jackie, Deetster

I think the key to being a wolf is not changing your previous game's play style. I can't really speak for myself because I seem to change how I play this game constantly, and it always gets me killed. BUT just a thought.

Ex) Mandie was a good wolf because she's more of an observer and doesn't post as much as other players. She didn't change that when she was given a wolf role.

I did play a game like this on ORG Planet, but I don't believe it was actually part of the Werewolf series, I believe it was titled Mafia. It was during OPS1, Pete was the mafia/wolf/bad guy, and Deetster and I were the two survivors.

I always thinks it's really difficult to pick out the mafia/wolves the first round. I usually try to figure out who the bad guys are based on who they kill. Some people make it obvious by killing people who have suspected them or who they're known to have conflict with. At the same time, clever wolves could kill their best friends in the game to appear innocent, or kill a villiager whose wrongly accused someone else of being the wolf, to make that wrongly accused individual appear guilty to all. You can't be entirely sure, but at least you have something to go on after the wolves have claimed their first victim.

When I play this sort of game (say at epicmafia.com) I usually suggest a no lynch the first day, but I got the impression from the rules that daily lynches are required in this game. Is that correct?

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No lynch is quite acceptable, is it in your best interest? that is for the village to decide. You may vote a no lynch. Or if you do not come to an agreement majority plus 1 then a no lynch will occur by deadline, hope that helps
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I want a host edit *sniff sniff*

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That was an amazing host edit for 1.

For 2, I really just never understood the "No Lynch". Sometimes I think about things in loop mental fashion, and I get it for a SECOND, then I lose it when I reconsider something about it.

Explain Michael how a no lynch may be our better move, cause I wanna get the thought process, but always lose my train of thought to getting there when grasping for it.

Journal Log Day 1 Part 3


The day is still early and in speaking to some of the villagers I have noticed a trend of a friendly mistrust amongst each other. Some have talked about the dangers that lurk within the cavern at night. Were the Elders covering up a much darker secret? Was it just supplies that went missing?
Why did they ask me to roam the caverns and document? Could they possibly know why I am here? All these questions are running in my mind but it seems no answers will come soon enough.



I have walked by the door twice now, I can't make much of the conversation out. It is almost useless. I will have to find out if there is another way to find out what is going on inside. Do I dare though? Maybe this will be a passing thought. I am sure they will be out soon with this resolved.


Deadline for Lynch: 20 September 2010: 00:00EST This is Sunday Night/ Monday Morning.

Votes to Lynch

Pending Votes
Termy, Tiffani, Brant, Bryan, Vastfanatic, PhocQ, DragonTear, Kenya, Michael!, Pete, Dragonldy640, Dogdude84, Jackie, Deetster

Well basically my thoughts are a lynch before anything has really happened is just sort of random. Therefore, we'd only have a 3/14 chance of randomly choosing a bad guy and getting them out. More than likely, we'd be removing a villiager, and improving our opposition's chances of winning.

Of course that's based on the idea that the evidence of how we select who to lynch should come from the selections made by the wolves and the subsequent reactions of everyone the day after. After the first night, if someone is killed, we might be able to guess what strategic purposes that person was taken out for, and who would've been most likely to think of a reason for the person that was killed.

Of course, evidence from killings doesn't guarantee we'll find a wolf. I mean it's possible that we could random lynch today and by luck, get one right, then lynch based on the evidence of a killing tomorrow and get it wrong. And of course when the killings start we have to keep our eyes out for wolves attempting to frame villiagers, by selecting people as victims you'd naturally assume a certain villiager would select.

Idk, I mean for those of you that have played with each other enough and learned each other play style, the way people act in this thread may be far more valuable as evidence then any pattern in the killings. I just know for me it's not, and that's why I'd prefer to do a no lynch rather than take a gamble with unfavorable odds the first round and probably lose a villiager.

I've always supported the no-lynch on the first day, but no one ever agrees so I've given up pursuing it but I would definitely support it as I would always as I completely agree with Michael's logic.

Anyone have the time to look and see who the least active people were from the last games? Then we can figure out who from them hasn't been that active thus far in this game.

Just checking in before I drive (ugh) 4 hours to school. I'm trying to remember if we've done a no-lynch day 1 in the past. I think it's been brought up but hasn't even actually happened. I'd be for it, since yeah day 1 is quite random.

I suppose requesting a host edit makes Thian short circuit

On one hand I see the logic in not wanting to lynch someone on the first day since we really have nothing to go on. But on the other hand, how are we going to be in any better of a situation in the next round? It is how we vote that gives us the best clues as to who the wolves are. So if we don't vote at all, we won't have much to work with next round.

Seems to be at this point it's almost like the vote is between voting inactivity vs no lynch at all. Which basically means it's between this DragonTear person and not lynching. Since DragonTear is the only person yet to say anything.

I guess I agree that one of those two options is probably the best way to go. My gut says that we should lynch someone, but my gut also helped lead us last game into lynching all sorts of innocent villagers. lol So maybe I should finally do what I said last game and just do the opposite of whatever my gut tells me.

Either way, we should probably delay our final decision as long as we can in order to gather as much info as we can this week. Ideally, the bodyguard will protect the right person this week and maybe we can escape the first day AND night without any innocent villagers getting killed.

My problem with the no lynching the first day.. especially in this game.. is how will it help us.. we wont know what role that person that is killed by the wolves have.. so we won't know the count.. if we lynch we at least know what role that person had.

Plus when someone is even suggesting a no lynch right away.. doesn't that make them suspicious?

Ya sorry the only reason i have not been saying anything is because i have been on a vacation right now and have need been online as much as i should be... but i am new to this game and it seems neat how everyone is getting involved, and trying to phase out who the bad guys are. i cannot wait in the days to come to read what everyone has to say about this game. and did anyone take kenya up for that pie..mmm.. wonder what kinda pie it was, but i guess that doesn't matter all pie is good... maybe we should eat it with silver cutlery? lol. this evening i woke up to a howling scream of a wolf. i rushed out to look out my window and to my surprise it was just a dog howling. he seemed hungry, so i threw him out a bone that i had left over from my steak i had earlier. the air is getting musky, and the fog is starting to roll in.. its starting to get an eerie setting. i can hear screams echos from all directions. maybe i should stay inside tonight. lock my doors and have a nice hot cup of herbal tea. and wait for the sun to arise again.........but i don't think i will get much sleep tonight, with all of the noises skittering around outside

The last two games, I supported first day lynchings. I do here as well because I don't think we'll gather enough information to be any better off tomorrow based on who the wolves kill tonight. I think we need to start bringing up names and accusing each other just to get discussion going, even though it sucks for the person being lynched --- because we'll probably end up lynching a villager.

I haven't done many other mafia games. Perhaps on other sites, in other mafia games, there is more reason not to lynch this first round, but I can't see the reason here.

Kenya also brought up an interesting point about the role reveal. That's going to make this challenging since the seer or bodyguard could end up being killed over the night, and we wouldn't even know it.

yeah the role reveal is going to make things more complicated and hopefully the seer and bodyguard both help us make things work out for us villagers better.

I honestly cannot remember if I've ever played a mafia game or other similar where we didn't lynch someone in the first round but I just feel that we wouldn't risk losing a villager in the first day and the first night kill would maybe give us a direction to go in, plus the seer and bodyguard choices could help us out as well, so we will have something to go on.

Im a little soft on new people. As an admin, I like to see new people here at the site who want to become involved in the few activities we have going on here. To lynch a new person right away, for me, isnt what Id like to do because i dont want a new person to think that we dont like them or that we solely voted them cause they are new. Im not about clicks, etc.... so yeah, Id like to not lynch a new person but thats just me. I'll support a lynch though, I cant see myself throwing the first name out however. If yall decide to do a no lynch, I'll support it if the majority wants it. But if i had my way, I think lynching this first round is okay.

Oh yeah Kenya good point. Lol I seem stuck in the middle about whether to go for a lynch or not. I just wanna do whatever's best for the village

I think if I was a wolf, I would be hoping people don't lynch, and then if they didn't, I would just kill whoever will be trying to get the wolves well. I mean...I really can't think of a killing situation comitted by the wolves that will truly make me say "oh yeah, since THAT person's dead, THESE people are less likely to be wolves, and THESE people are more". Idk...

Furthermore, yeah, we have a 11/14 chance NOW of killing an innocent villager who is seeming the most wolfy this round, but a wolf has an 11/11 chance of killing a villager.

If we kill, then the next time we gather, we will have a 3/12 chance of killing a wolf if we were wrong, but we at least gave it a shot. Then we could base our next vote on both how people voted, and how the wolves acted.

If we don't kill, the next time we gather, then we have a 3/13 chance of killing a wolf, and we never took a chance at killing one previously. We also would only really be able to base our vote on how the wolves acted, and the fact people voted not to lynch.

So...that's my analysis of where no-lynching gets us, and I just don't see it getting us anywhere.

Yeah I don't see it getting us anywhere.. especially when we don't get to see what the role is once a wolf kills.. It's just really frustrating and will get us no where. Because a wolf can kill for SOOO many different reasons that its hard to decipher WHY they killed whoever.

On the other hand, I do not want to lynch a new person right off the bat either. That's not fair and could cause them to just leave the site. They need at least a chance.

This is supposed to be fun, not gang up on the newbs!

Pete wrote:

I've always supported the no-lynch on the first day, but no one ever agrees so I've given up pursuing it but I would definitely support it as I would always as I completely agree with Michael's logic.

I've always agreed to have a no lynch the first day because I agree there's too high a chance at hitting a villager and then we lose two villagers instead of one.

Sorry just read thru everything since Pete's post, and I had forgotten about the role reveal, so I guess we're back to square one lmfao I always go with the lynch anyway, so either way is fine with me. Is someone going to throw a name out there?

Well...

I don't know about throwing a name out there to attack.

I guess to get something going here, I'm going to say the people who have said something that really made sense to me thus far, or that made me feel just right here initially "okay, that seems really village-pro oriented, and I wouldn't see a wolf wanting to say that even as trickery"

Brant, Jackie, Kneya, Mandie, PhocQ.

I'm not trying to say these people are certainly villagers, or that I highly suspect or even very much suspect everyone I didn't list. I'm just thinking it may be easier to begin a dialogue on who so far has piqued us as non-wolves, and maybe that'll slowly but surely narrow the scope where it needs to go if we're going to do a lynch.

Okay I've been at work all day so I couldn't respond and now I'm watching BB Finale but I have a lot to say so I'll be back in a bit to say it, lol.

I don't think Kneya is a wolf either

You saw that typo?

*whispers to elders*

"He knows too much"