Season 5 - Werewolf - Day 1

i didnt notice it the first time i saw it ,

Hey now.. what's up with spelling my name wrong.. sheesh how mean

I'm not sure what to do lynch or no-lynch. It's a hard decision, but I'm watching the Big Brother finale and have to think about it.

Kenya how sad they're spelling your name wrong

Deetster wrote:

*whispers to elders*
"He knows too much"

Aren't we the elders?

This one's clueless, no way he's a wolf.

Hahaha, right we are the elders....I was talking amongst ourselves, lmfao.

I'm just full of fail here. Anyone else have any inclinations to share? Or is there a lean toward the no-lynch?

Journal Log Part 4

The day is moving on quite nicely after my chat with some of the villagers. Although periodically passing by the Chamber of Elders, I hear the words wolf, and lynch. . . .Is there something more in this cave? Could I have been the possible one to cause this demise over The Eternal Caverns? I've taken a liking to a particular spot in the Cave tunnels. There are some flowers I have never seen before. How do they grow with such little light. It takes all kinds to adapt within this cave.

I've taken a picture with my camera of one of them.


I've come to notice the feeling of someone watching me lately as well. I try to shake the feeling but sometimes it is hard to get rid of. Maybe a small nap might clear my head. After my nap, i will knock on the elder's door.

Yours Faithfully,

Thian

Deadline for Lynch: 20 September 2010: 00:00EST This is Sunday Night/ Monday Morning.

Votes to Lynch

Pending Votes
Termy, Tiffani, Brant, Bryan, Vastfanatic, PhocQ, DragonTear, Kenya, Michael!, Pete, Dragonldy640, Dogdude84, Jackie, Deetster

Okay, so I've read posts and here is my opinion on whether to lynch or not lynch...

I have always been of the mind that lynching is the only way for villagers to get a wolf. Sitting around not even trying and waiting for the wolves to kill us off is exactly what the wolves want us to do. Yes, we have next to nothing to go on, but we will never have irrefutable evidence. Well, almost never, lol.

I agree with the fact that no night reveal makes this much tougher on us. Not lynching and then trying to decide who looks like a wolf just by who was killed isn't going to help us too much. We need the vote to give us clues/hints, etc.

Basically, this is just reiterating what a bunch of other people have already said so I'm sorry to be repetitive. I thought I had a lot more to say earlier but I had to post IC results in a Survivor game and now it's midnight and my mind is mush.

So, yeah, I think we should lynch. Obviously the question would be "who do we lynch?"

I will say I agree with not just lynching new people for the sake of them being new people but I don't agree with giving them a pass just because they're new. Mandie, you are a sweetheart with a big heart but this is a game and if we think someone is a wolf we should lynch them. That being said, I don't think anyone is really looking like a wolf yet. I'm still sold on the idea of lynching a less active person that probably would either not help us later or possibly even hinder us since they may not be paying attention to what's going on. If that makes sense?

Oh I just remembered another thing I wanted to say, lol.

I think there are many strategies, scenarios, etc that can play out in a game like this but I really hope we don't lose sight of the obvious this game. Basically, if it looks like a wolf, talks like a wolf, smells like a wolf... it's probably a wolf. I'd just hate to see us get caught up again in convoluted theories like the one that got Kenya lynched.

Sure, it's possible that one wolf would throw another under the bus to throw off suspicion but probably not as likely as the wolves wanting to work together and get to the end of the game with numbers.

Also, I think most wolves would try to blend in so I'd rather look at people who seem to want to go with the flow than offer up any new ideas or point fingers. Obviously accusing someone that turns out to be innocent is a concern for everyone but if we don't all step up and work together we could all just end up as a tasty wolf meal. That's all. Just thought I'd throw that out there. I hate always being the one who points at someone else.

Right now, the people who look most like possibilities to me are the people who don't want to lynch. Not trying to generalize but to me the least likely candidates for a lynch are:

Brant
Mandie
Deetster
Kenya
Phoc


People who I would consider lynching are:

Michael
Dragontear
Bryan
Dogdude
Dragonldy
Tiffani
Termy
Pete

I realize that's a broad list and yes,I have the newbies on it. Sorry, but Michael seems to really be pushing a no-lynch which makes me suspicious. Dragontear had a cute post but didn't really say anything which would help us out.

Bryan warned us he wouldn't be around but he was basically like that last game and idk it just seems that even if you are busy you could take 10 minutes to post something to help us out.

Dogdude is cute and funny, as usual, but seems to just be easy-going, go-with-the-flow-guy, lol.

Dragonldy is indecisive and non-commital.

Tiffani and Pete are also pushing a no lynch.

Termy posted once about activeness but hasn't been back.


If I made any mistakes about what anyone said, feel free to let me know. I guess looking at the list above I would say Bryan might be my number one pick if we are going with who is least active and isn't new, lol. Thoughts?

Jackie thinks I'm cute! *blushes*

I've always posted that I agreed with a no-lynch and for the same reason each time, but when I was reminded of the role reveal, I changed my mind

Sorry that I am extremely busy this week. First round doesn't matter much anyway because there's nothing to go on, so why complicate it?

But I did post a Team Jacob theory. Maybe you don't think that's good enough.

Bryan wrote:

Sorry that I am extremely busy this week. First round doesn't matter much anyway because there's nothing to go on, so why complicate it?

But I did post a Team Jacob theory. Maybe you don't think that's good enough.

Yes, your theory was brilliant, lol. But seriously, I think it does matter because if every single one of us did the same thing you did then when it comes to round two we would have the same to go on as we do now. Nothing. We are all busy but it doesn't take long to post a couple of lines about what you think. I mean, it had to take you at least 45 seconds to think of that joke, right?

I say we eliminate someone on the Team Edward side instead lol

anyways, on a serious not, I think we need to come up with a way to vote if we are going to lynch someone, the sooner we do it the sooner night round 1 comes up so lets figure out what we wanna do.

It's really easy to point fingers towards Bryan for the sake that you can't read him.. so it's hard to tell what role he's playing at any given time. Plus he's very convincing no matter which side he's on.

Looking at the crystal ball to fish out some wolves... excuse my mini-hybernation during the process

I have never been able to figure out who the wolves are because my reasoning ability sucks. Termy's Crystal Ball might work!

Re-posting this on the new page:

Safe List
Brant
Deetster
Jackie
Kenya
Mandie
PhocQ

Unsafe List
Michael
Dragontear
Bryan
Dogdude
Dragonldy
Tiffani
Termy
Pete

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I agree with the names on this list that Jackie and Deetster originally proposed. I like the idea of a safe/unsafe list, but I also fear that the wolves will just end up going through the list and killing those on it during the night. That would happen no matter what, though, I suppose.

Michael and Dragontear: Even though they're new, I also agree that we have to look at the levels of activeness of both Michael and Dragontear. Dragontear just posted once, and Michael's two posts were within a few hours of each other. To his credit, I felt like Michael's posts were focused and logical. But if you're not around and posting, it probably means you're not reading or following the game if you're a villager, and that won't help much later. So I think it's really important to keep following how active they are.

Pete, Tiffani, and DogDude: Pete did seem in favor of an activeness/past game lynching strategy initially, but now these three seem to be wavering as far as pro-lynch or anti-lynch.

Bryan, Dragonldy, and Termy: They have posted fun comments, but haven't given us a lot to work with for or against them. I'd have to say I'd lean towards lynching Bryan as well because he said the first round didn't matter much and seemed to be advocating that we shouldn't put much thought into it. But in this game, with the majority + 1 vote especially, these early rounds are incredibly important or it's going to be very difficult to get enough votes to lynch wolves later unless all of the villagers are on the same page and united.

Brant wrote:

But in this game, with the majority + 1 vote especially, these early rounds are incredibly important or it's going to be very difficult to get enough votes to lynch wolves later unless all of the villagers are on the same page and united.

Good point.

I am still completely in favor of basing the lynching on avtiveness/past games but am also in favor of no lynch if people agree that is a good move, at this point I'm not sure it is a good move but who really knows what is or isn't a good move until after it is over with.

I used to always push for a no-lynch but I won't do that anymore cause so many people here have pointed out how they are completely against that and with the role reveal situation this game I'm not sure it is a good idea to not lynch, we need to be able to figure out who is what to help narrow down our list of who the wolves could be.

To me the people I'd look at closest are: Termy, Bryan and Dragonldy. Reasoning is this: Termy and Bryan have both played as wolves and/or sorcerers and have always played really low-key or hard to figure out so taking them out first round might be a better move. As for Dragonldy, she isn't as active as others, that is my main reasoning behind her though I feel she does try to contribute so I think I would say Bryan would be a better choice for first to go.

Yeah as risky as it is to stick out like a sore thumb I'll just go out and say I'm still not convinced lynching someone day 1 is a good idea.

If we knock out a villiager we are bringing the wolf team that much closer to winning. I don't see why so many of you think that wolves would necessarily advocate a no-lynch strategy the first day, when it has a much better chance of hurting them then helping them.

Obviously we have to start lynching at some point, but I'd rather wait until day 2 when we'll have the evidence of a victim and hopefully some imput from the seer. Even if the seer investigates an innocent person, at least they'll know one villiager who is not a wolf and may be able to speak up for them if they get targetted at the next lynching.

Deetster, Jackie, Brant... you pretty much have identical safe lists. Do you each individually agree with every name you have written down, or are you merely trusting the judgement of the others and supporting them because they identified you as safe?

I love how people will agree with a safe/unsafe list when they're on the "good" side.
I'm not wavering on anything, I've always posted my opinion about the first lynch and it's always been that I preferred the no lynch but would vote for a lynch if there was a majority vote. This hasn't changed. I've only stated that I agree the no-lynch isnt' wise this game because of the role reveal.
Every game I've suspected Dragonlady because she just comes in and posts randomly and then leaves, and every time she hasn't been a wolf, but maybe this time..............

Lol you never know I guess.

Perhaps I should look more into some of the past games before posting again. I get how comparing people's actions to the way they've behaved in the past would be a good way to sniff out a wolf.

I agree with you about the safe/unsafe list. And while there's a part of me that would like to be on it and be one of the cool kids, a larger part of me is not convinced with the standards that have been used to determine safety thus far, nor do I feel some of the names that have been lightly suggested for lynching are more suspicious than anyone else at this point.

To be fair DragonTear did say in their one post that they are on vacation right now.. hopefully they arrive home shortly and become more active. I think we should at least wait and see what they have to say, which will hopefully be soon.

It does look like we're all seeing the point about Bryan though. Maybe it would be wiser to just lynch him first this time around. But that could be said about a few others as well.

I just realized that I missed some post earlier, people are saying I'm pushing for a no-lynch and I never pushed for it, I said I would support it as I would every game cause I feel that we always lose a villager more times than not the first round so lets use the night rounds to help us figure things out. Lynching someone just to lynch someone doesn't help us in the long run unless we have a reason to go for someone or we luck out and get the right person.

I'm not pushing for a lynch or a no-lynch, I'm pushing for us to come up with the right decision for this round that'll help the villagers win. What the right decision is, I don't know, but I hope we make it the right one.