Werewolf 8 - Day 5 - What is a girl to do?

Gotcha Cam. Thanks for 'splainin!

Cam Monster wrote:

And to Stacie: I was simply checking for who hadn't claimed a role, as those people would be suspicious.

You know what else is suspicious? Claiming to be a role that you aren't.

At this point Virtuanno is so OTT wolfy in this and the last round...I can't tell which side he is part of and not doing a good job on, lol. I feel like if he is a villager he has to be seeing this is bizarre behavior, and if he is a wolf, this is so forceful and obvious. The only thing there could be to not justify me wanting to vote him is if Cam is just doing a much nicer job at acting calm and hiding his identity. I'll think on this, but I think it's obvious one of you two has to be the lynch.

I think part of my issue with trying to decide between them.. is Cam normally has a hard time keeping being evil a secret.. as in he starts to act a tad crazy. But what he said did sound suspicious but is it more suspicious than Virt's behavior? I haven't decided yet either. It's a tough call really.

Majority to lynch 5.

Deadline 12 June 2011: Time 23:59EDT

Votes:
Cam: 1 vote of 5 - Virtuanno

Pending Votes:
Deetster, Staciekins, Boyd, Jackie, Kenya, Cam, Santos

That's pretty much what it's going to come down to Santos, lol.

And if you suspected Virt and thought Cam was a good guy, them claiming the same role, and this situation shouldn't be too shocking to you, lol.

Majority to lynch 5.

Deadline 12 June 2011: Time 23:59EDT

Votes:
Cam: 1 vote of 5 - Virtuanno

Pending Votes:
Deetster, Staciekins, Boyd, Jackie, Kenya, Cam, Santos


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Yeah, I agree it's obviously going to be between Cam and Virt this round. Here's how I see it right now:

Both claimed the same role so obviously one is lying. I don't buy what Cam said about an innocent villager possibly lying and claiming a role. Why would a villager do that when lynching incorrectly could cost them the game at this point? Makes no sense.

So, who's lying? Cam claimed a role last round but didn't name the role until he was put under pressure to do so this round. The only thing I see which makes it plausible is the "hunter green" comment on Day 1. I just don't know why he would be so obvious about his role on Day 1, though. Especially when he just said he didn't want to reveal for fear an evil role would use it against him. That seems very contradictory to me. Also, this comment: "I was simply checking for who hadn't claimed a role, as those people would be suspicious." I don't understand that comment. Why would he have to check before claiming? Cam, can you elaborate on that?

Virt pointedly called for Cam to claim and then called him out and said he's lying. Why would he do this as an evil role? Especially since, if he's evil and got the hunter lynched, the hunter could just shoot him? It doesn't make sense to me. Why claim the hunter, of all roles?

Right now I am looking at what makes the most sense and I'm leaning toward voting Cam. I'd like to hear more thoughts from everyone on this. Especially Cam and Virt but everyone else, as well.

I am also leaning towards voting Cam. I feel like Virt was so quick on calling him out, I just don't get a bad vibe from him. He seems the most honest to me right now, between the two.

Jackie wrote:

Also, this comment: "I was simply checking for who hadn't claimed a role, as those people would be suspicious." I don't understand that comment. Why would he have to check before claiming? Cam, can you elaborate on that?

Claiming my role, and looking back at who had claimed a role were independent actions. They had nothing to do with each other. Sorry if it was confusing. I didn't have to check that before claiming, I just ALSO wanted to check that.

Also, my comment about a villager wanting to frame someone for a quick lynch, was just a thought. I'm not saying that it happened lol. Just trying to explore all angles, because it seems anything can happen in this game.

I stated that someone might try to turn my role against me, and they have. That person is Virt so please lynch him and not me. We'll get an evil role out, and we'll still have me to fire off a round at a wolf if they decide to night kill me.

Oh, and I vote Virt, for obvious reasons.

Majority to lynch 5.

Deadline 12 June 2011: Time 23:59EDT

Votes:
Cam: 1 vote of 5 - Virtuanno
Virtuanno: 1 vote of 5 - Cam

Pending Votes:
Deetster, Staciekins, Boyd, Jackie, Kenya, Santos

Anyone have anything to say? We need.to be figuring this out, guys...

What's really funny, is that my response to Santos' last statement I think is very important. Am I the only one who sees how his post like...just doesn't seem like he is TRULY thinking about this, as if he already knows what is up.

I'm saying this because I really think for a future round, I really think that Santos is a good target based on that.

I really am leaning toward Virt's behavior just being way too selfish and strange sounding to be a true villager.

I vote Virtuanno.

I think the wolves are hoping that maybe we won't even make SOMETHING happen, which at the least is what we need to make sure happens for us to have a chance here.

Yeah, I understand that Virt has been acting strange and wolfy for the last few rounds, but I just can't ignore what makes sense - or what doesn't. Plus, I thought the same thing about Kyle and now we know he was doing it on purpose. Maybe you can tell me why you think an evil role would go after the hunter, of all people? I just don't get that if Virt is evil and Cam's the hunter.

That being said, I am almost ready to vote Virt just because he seems like he doesn't care what happens at this point. It seems like a defeatist attitude and I would hope a villager would be trying harder at this point. Giving up always seems wolfy to me.

As far as Santos, his post doesn't help us but most of his posts have seemed the same all game. Maybe you're right about him but his posts seem genuine to me.

Then there's Stacie who seems to agree with me then Cam then me, lol. Stacie, can you tell me your thought process on all of this and what you are thinking about Cam and Virt?

Also, Deet, Boyd was the one who hurried up the last round. It was his vote that allowed Tiffani to come in and hammer herself. Boyd says he doesn't want to bother to read 100 pages but why does he have to re-read anything? Just post what you think based on what you've been reading.

And where is Kenya? She's the only one I'm 99% sure is innocent now and I would like her thoughts on Virt and Cam.

Jackie, I'm sorry for not posting.. I have been working.. but when I get home tonight ill post my thoughts

Honestly, I believe Virt is telling the truth! Therefore, whoever that means I agree with, then I guess I agree with them!


I am going to go ahead and vote to lynch CAM. Sorry Cam... I still you!

Idk if it's an outlandish..weird way to analyze someone. But I don't think Stacie would LYNCH Cam, unless she KNEW, not THOUGHT, but KNEW, it was best for her to lynch him.

But that's just a very specific inference.

(For those who won't read the subtext, and since it's not a time to be vague, I'm saying that seems like something Stacie could be doing if her and Virt are both wolves).

If I REALLY analyzed every single thing at this point.

-Mandie's behavior upon elimination, edging on consent
-The "issues"
-Santos perhaps just not really being on top of things, and posting generic comments but not actually being a wolf
-This Hunter thing, and what I just last said about Stacie

My best assumption would be:

Boyd/Stacie/Virt are wolves. I'm not positive though, but I think it's time we make big theories because we need this to work out for us villagers.

Well you're wrong Deet. Ever since Virt called out Cam, I don't know, it was just the way he claimed it so quick, like he didn't even need to think about it. He just said, you're lying... and it made me believe that Virt was really the Hunter. I just have a feeling that Virt is the one who isn't lying! That's all.

Deetster wrote:

If I REALLY analyzed every single thing at this point.

-Mandie's behavior upon elimination, edging on consent
-The "issues"
-Santos perhaps just not really being on top of things, and posting generic comments but not actually being a wolf
-This Hunter thing, and what I just last said about Stacie

My best assumption would be:

Boyd/Stacie/Virt are wolves. I'm not positive though, but I think it's time we make big theories because we need this to work out for us villagers.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying actually, but can you PLEASE tell me why you think an evil role would try to get the hunter lynched over anyone else? That's the one thing I cannot wrap my head around. Do you think Virt is just not thinking it through?

If you look at both of their behavior, Virt was very direct and sure of himself and Cam was very wishy washy and stalling before he posted. But, removing any emotions from this, look at the facts. I really don't think you've addressed this specific point (my question to you above) and I would really like you to.

Stacie - how come virt stating YOU ARE LYING. Makes him innocent but when Tiffani said YOU ARE LYING to Kyle.. it was a different story? I mean Kyle wasn't lying.. but Tiffani was and an evil role IS going to lie..



Anyway my main issue with Virt is if he's innocent.. to me it didn't make sense for him to be so secretive.. like why didn't he ask Cam what his role was last round.. why did he want the round to end so quickly? Why didn't he retract so that Kyle could state his opinion. It's like he really forced the round to end and that DOES bother me a lot. And like Deet has mentioned.. Virt is acting more on the selfish side of things like HE wanted to end it for PERSONAL reasons.. for things HE was trying to find out.. but yet the rest of us wanted the round not to be over so we could find out MORE information since we knew they were going to kill Kyle and even if they knew the hunter.. I don't see why they would risk killing him and possibly having one of their own shot. That just sounds ridiculous to me.

I think that one of them is the hunter for sure.. and that perhaps the reason that Virt picked the hunter as his pretend role.. if he is in fact evil is because nobody verbally claimed that role. It was the only one left.. Cam wasn't even around much to even go ahead and say hey derB you are correct or anything. Now if he had been.. and went ahead and did so. Virt probably would have stuck with pretending he was a villager. I don't think he wanted to have to claim hunter.. considering whoever we lynched.. if we happen to hit the hunter.. the hunter will turn around and hit the person that we didn't lynch.

My other issue with Virt's odd behavior is that he didn't even pick one of the roles of "just a plain villager or not just a plain villager" whereas EVERYONE ELSE DID. If he was truly not evil.. why wouldn't he go ahead and state what he really was.. why leave it to mystery? Like I don't understand that at all.

Now I do agree that Cam's behavior about revealing his role this round was odd.. but on the flip side.. when he's been evil in the past.. he's kind of over the top and has a hard time keeping it to himself and tends to make himself obviously evil. BUT I also had a feeling he was evil earlier on in the round. So I'm SOOO conflicted of who I think is more evil since I've felt like they both were on and off throughout this game. I also feel like Cam's response to being attacked was well handled. Like I remember voting him before in the past and him just voting me back because of it and getting all defensive.. I didn't find him being that defensive.. I also felt that Virt was more defensive and throwing shots left and right.

I think either way we will get the evil role.. it's just a matter of if we'll take the hunter down as well.

Majority to lynch 5.

Deadline 12 June 2011: Time 23:59EDT

Votes:
Cam: 2 vote of 5 - Virtuanno, Staciekins
Virtuanno: 2 vote of 5 - Cam, Deetster

Pending Votes:
Boyd, Jackie, Kenya, Santos