Werewolf 8 - Day 5 - What is a girl to do?

The game is about making a vote you can stand by regardless of how others come to the same conclusion, not about not siding with certain people.

Can you show me the rule book of how to play this game? Like seriously there isn't a right way to vote and a wrong way to vote.

I know I didn't wait for Cam's reply but that was because I was reading stuff you both said throughout the whole game and to me I felt you were more suspicious. And I had to leave for work and decided I needed to place my vote so people knew where I stood at that point in time. Cam did come back and answer me while I was at work.

Why are you being so defensive of us being cautious of why certain people are voting for Cam? Would you feel the same way if we were being cautious of voting you and all of them had voted you? I highly doubt it. It's only because we are voting you. If the situation were reversed you wouldn't be saying the same things that you are saying now.

And Virtuanno, if you pay attention to the situation, since you're such a brilliant strategist, one of you is evil, one isn't. Evil people will be inclined to vote for the good people to go. If I feel more suspicious of people voting Cam, then I should indeed feel that they are more than likely voting a good person.

And if you read closely, I have suspected you way before the people voting Cam made me feel more justified in my decision. Your behavior in no way makes me feel like you are a good guy.

And your tone, and assumption you get how this game should be played when you're clearly not thinking makes me either think you're a manipulative evil role, or a not-as-smart-as-you-think villager. I hope for the sake of me usually not being mean and rude to people as to say something like that, that I'm correct and you are an evil role. Because to be honest, the way you are carrying yourself makes it completely impossible for me to think I should vote Cam, and it'd suck if you're actually somehow an innocent carrying yourself this way, and costing us the game by making yourself unappealing to genuine people trying to make the right thing happen.

Alright, I've re-read and I keep coming back to the same point which is, it makes no sense for Virtuanno to claim hunter if he wasn't when Cam had already basically "claimed" it. And by that I mean Cam said he had a good role and was basically forced to say he was hunter by process of elimination...after he went back and read to make sure. I can't ignore that and I don't understand how Deet and Kenya can ignore that, either. At this point in the game we can't just vote based on who seems nicer or more calm but what makes the most sense.

I believe Kenya is the Doppelganger which makes me wonder if she picked Cam as her target and maybe that's why she doesn't want to lynch him. Of course we'll know either way because if Cam is lynched and his role isn't revealed we'll know she took over his role. In that case we'll know if Virt gets shot, Cam was the hunter and if he doesn't we'll know Virt is the hunter.

Virtuanno Zapatera Murphy wrote:

The game is about making a vote you can stand by regardless of how others come to the same conclusion, not about not siding with certain people.

I agree with this. I still think Boyd is evil and his vote made me not want to be on the same lynch as him but I can't just ignore the strong feeling I have that it's Cam, not Virt, who is the right choice to lynch here.

Also, the fact that Deet keeps talking about how others may be preventing a lynch strikes me as odd since he seems to be doing that very thing by refusing to consider voting Cam. He was the one who said

Deetster wrote:

Either way, the Hunter will kill the person pretending to be them should we be wrong.

If anyone has anything else to add I suggest you do so now because I'm planning on hammering Cam.

I do see your point Jackie, but I guess I didn't take what Cam said the same way that you took it. I took it completely different.

What I don't like is how you aren't seeing the other side of the coin like me and Deet are. It's really confusing me that you can't see it from our point of view.

Your point of view seems to be that you have believed Cam to be innocent all game and Virt to be evil. I thought the same thing - moreso in the last couple of rounds. But, the way Virt "demanded" Cam claim seemed very pointed and knowing to me. It would be a huge risk for an evil role to do that when he could have just said he was a plain villager and taken his chances of blending in. And then the way Cam stalled and even said he had to go back and read was just so fishy.

And I really have tried to see your point. That's why I did consider voting for Virt. I just think you're wrong.

Actually I didn't believe Cam to be innocent the whole game. I even questioned him lots in past day rounds.

But the main thing I don't like about what's going on in this round.. is just everything that's being said and all the weird actions.

Also the fact that Stacie is just avoiding posting again.. like she's posting around the rest of the board but yet wont' comment on the stuff she said about me being evil.

Well, she's on the board so maybe she can address it now. I'm not going to vote yet because I do think things like that should be asked and answered.

I mean if you want to vote Cam that's perfectly fine. I was just wanting and waiting for Stacie to respond to things after accusing me of being evil.

Like those things are really questionable to me.. same with Boyd pretending he read nothing and just casting a vote. Like what's up with that?

If you finish the round off right now, we will never know.

I agree, lol. Like I said, that's why I told you how I'm voting instead of just voting and ending the round. As for Boyd explaining anything.....good luck with that.

Oh I know he won't explain anything LOL!


Santos - Okay. It was just weird how you went on and on about how those people were suspicious but then turned around and voted with them. I was just like HUH lol

Hey guys, just got back from a movie. Gimme a min to catch up and I can respond to what's been said the past 2 pages or so.

I definitely didn't feel that Cam was innocent the whole game either. It bothered me how Amanda seemed to keep giving him the pass, and with that, it appeared other were falling into like behind her, people who still remain in the game.

This is what struck me as so bizarre when Stacie so willingly accepted Virtuanno's claims, when to me, it came off in a way that I would expect Stacie to negatively react to, and for her to come to Cam's defense and just vote Virt.

I understand, after really rereading what was being said that Cam's behavior was strange too though, it's just Virt being Virty kinda distracted me from it...

All I know right now is I am currently a vote on the ballot with one person who is certainly a good role. What my problem here is, is I AM looking at who is voting where, and I don't get why Virtuanno is trying to convince you and others, surprisingly affectively I should add, that it doesn't matter who's voting where, but only who you vote for.

HERE is what I know. I am currently voting WITH Kenya for Virt, and I KNOW that Kenya is an innocent. The only other person I am voting with right now is Cam. I just feel like there should be someone jumping to his defense who is evil, and thus far only Kenya and I are here.

Also Jackie, I am not REFUSING to consider voting for Cam. I am pretty much finding it just incredibly difficult to believe Virt is innocent. I also am hesitant to flop over to go "aw shucks, fine I'll do THAT to get a lynch", cause personally it isn't my side that is the wrong one, so I'd rather it be the other side that flops first. I'm not preventing a lynch here at all, I'm trying to get one to happen as hard as I can, but I want it to be the right one, and I'm using my best judgment to make it that.

Deetster wrote:

Also Jackie, I am not REFUSING to consider voting for Cam. I am pretty much finding it just incredibly difficult to believe Virt is innocent. I also am hesitant to flop over to go "aw shucks, fine I'll do THAT to get a lynch", cause personally it isn't my side that is the wrong one, so I'd rather it be the other side that flops first. I'm not preventing a lynch here at all, I'm trying to get one to happen as hard as I can, but I want it to be the right one, and I'm using my best judgment to make it that.

Okay, point taken, but that's what I'm doing. I feel like I have really considered your and Kenya's stance and I feel that my decision to vote Cam is the correct one.

Doggerz wrote:

Hey guys, just got back from a movie. Gimme a min to catch up and I can respond to what's been said the past 2 pages or so.

Okay Camerooni..but I have a hammer with your name on it.

Santos wrote:

Kenya wrote:

Oh I know he won't explain anything LOL!


Santos - Okay. It was just weird how you went on and on about how those people were suspicious but then turned around and voted with them. I was just like HUH lol

I feel ya , i understand , a mean if i was a baddie do you think i would have talk bad about them and then vote with them ? it would have been a really pointless move haha . But yeah like i said before i stand by what i think its right . I vote with what i think its right because i dont like to fallow people at all .

I get this Santos, but the point is that isn't the point of the game we are at right now. We HAVE to try to establish who among us is the good people, and us good people have to vote TOGETHER, for a bad person to go, instead of the good person. That means, we basically need to feel each other out, and vote with each other regardless. As much as you say you are going to vote who you suspect more, that's fine and good, but the fact of the matter is, if you're voting with others you suspect, it's more than likely you are voting for the wrong cause. If two people who seem like criminals are going to do something...I think it's a smart assumption it ain't not good, Santos, lol. And just cause you're thinking for yourself, and trying not to be a follower, that's very good, but you also need to look who else is thinking how you are, and consider that is judging how correct your gut probably is.

Jackie wrote:

Deetster wrote:

Also Jackie, I am not REFUSING to consider voting for Cam. I am pretty much finding it just incredibly difficult to believe Virt is innocent. I also am hesitant to flop over to go "aw shucks, fine I'll do THAT to get a lynch", cause personally it isn't my side that is the wrong one, so I'd rather it be the other side that flops first. I'm not preventing a lynch here at all, I'm trying to get one to happen as hard as I can, but I want it to be the right one, and I'm using my best judgment to make it that.

Okay, point taken, but that's what I'm doing. I feel like I have really considered your and Kenya's stance and I feel that my decision to vote Cam is the correct one.

Alright Jackie, I totally understand that, and I actually do think you're innocent, so maybe I am the one on the wrong side here. However, I will stress it yet again, WHO IS VOTING WHERE IS IMPORTANT.

Unless you THINK I am a bad role, it really doesn't make too much sense for you to vote over there. It would really just make no sense that the only bad person voting Virt would be Cam. I could only accept that if it is a product of there being unsurity who the members of the evil orientation are...which I guess is a possibility.

At the end, it is going to be YOUR decision to kill Cam, or to agree that someone over there is innocent, and needs to switch here to the obviously innocent Kenya, to me who is also innocent but can only prove at the least I am not a wolf. To me it just seems strange how easily you can just end this all right now, and so odd how it is THIS side that seems like the struggle to get to happen. I don't think that is a coincidence, and if you analyze the numbers, it is wolves who should be making one side seem so darn hard to get support for...the right side. Kenya is here, you know she's good. It's up to you though, and I can't really figure out a way to help you see my view on it if you've read things I've said already and don't feel I am perhaps right.

At the least, I appreciate that you want this round to go on a bit so more information can be extracted by us, instead of shutting the round down so we don't get more information out here...cause I think someone might have done that last round, you can check that.

There are 3 evil roles left.. so if Cam is evil then someone evil has to be voting for him. Because I know I"m not evil, I don't know for sure about Deet, he could be but there is still another evil role. Now if Virt is evil then I could see that possibly all the evil roles are on Cam right now.

Yes Kenya, I basically said that in my last post, and fixed something I said wrong grammatically.

This is my point, I really do think that the evil roles are filled up on Virt. If my ORIGINAL assumption that Santos was the evil one, then we're PRETTY royally screwed since Boyd doesn't want to read things and basically...play the game, lol.

So...hopefully my thought that it is Boyd/Stacie who are evil is right.

I'm evil.

Evil roles that are currently voting for me, please retract.

We can win if we kill an innocent here, and then night kill another.

That is all.

Problem solved!

Kenya... I didn't accuse you of being a baddie.. I simply stated that those were people who I felt a bad vibe from. I haven't accused anyone of being anything.

I still feel Cam is guilty. I am keeping my vote with him. I don't know who else is evil, but when I pointed out who I thought had evil roles, I get slammed for it. I am not sure if you are a bad role or not, so if it makes you feel better, I'll retract your name. Last time I checked, we were encouraged to have our own opinions.

Bottom line is we need to get a wolf out of here, or at least one of the bad roles. I believe that Cam, saying he had to go back and look and see who hadn't claimed a role yet, was very fishy. That is my main reason for voting for him.

I am fine with admitting I am wrong, or if my hunch does not pan out. I will leave it with me thinking Cam is the most guilty now, and Kenya.. if you are the Doppleganger, then I have no reason to think you are a baddie.

As for me being on the board, I log on, but I leave it up in the background, while I am on facebook or whatever else I am doing. Therefore, I haven't really looked on here until now. Also, on me not reading... wrong. I have read every single posts you guys have posted. I'm sorry if I don't comment after everyone, but sometimes I don't think I have anything new to add. Also, if someone thinks my "guesses" are wrong, sorry! It's my own opinion, and I like to think that's what makes this kind of game so good, that we can all come to our own conclusions.