Werewolf 8 - Day 3 - All is quiet...

KEY (Only names on lynches are highlighted)
CYAN - Proven Innocent
RED - Participated in one lynch
YELLOW - Participated in two lynches


VOTES DAY 1
Dragonlady640: 2 Votes of 9 - Termy, Tanisha
Deetster: 1 vote of 9 - Santos
Termy: 9 vote of 9 -Tiffani, Mandie, Cam, Stacie, Dragonldy640, Boyd, Jackie, Brant, Kenya
Staciekins: 1 vote of 9 - derB
Virtuanno: 1 Vote of 9 - Dragonbunny

Pending Votes: 3 Votes Pending
Virtuanno, Kyle, Deetster



VOTES 1ST LYNCH, DAY 2
Boyd: 1 Votes of 9 - Virtuanno
Dragonbunny: 6 Votes of 9 - Mandie, Boyd, Cam, Dragonldy, Santos, Tanisha
Dragonldy640: 9 Votes of 9 - derB, Kenya, Brant, Jackie, Deetster, Kyle, Tiffani, Dragonbunny, Stacie

Pending Votes: 0



VOTES 2ND LYNCH, DAY 2
Dragonbunny: 7 votes of 8: Mandie, Cam, Tanisha, Boyd, Kyle, Virtuanno, Brant
Stacie: 2 votes of 8: Deetster, Santos
Kyle: 5 votes of 8: Kenya, Dragonbunny, Jackie, Stacie, Tiffani

Pending Votes: 3
derB

Grah, we're not very good at this apparently. It REALLY sucks to lose Brant, because he helped us probably the most out of anyone. Losing DB was bad too obviously, but I think he got himself killed by just acting funny.

Derb's list is interesting there, seeing the people that haven't voted (at least not ultimately) to kill those that have been lynched. It's also interesting to note that Brant voted to lynch all 3, and he was innocent. People avoiding voting those that have been lynched may be doing it for a reason (to avoid suspicion).

Kyle's point about going after people that haven't yet received lynch votes is interesting too. It certainly might be a good idea to change up our pace in that regard.

(helped you in your game Santos)

Santos is the only one among us who has not participated in at least one lynch. All lynches have been on innocent players. Coincidence? Maybe.

I think is it interesting also, that Brant was on all three, and was innocent.

I also think, it is worth noting, that all four people who were in on the first two lynches*, were not members of the third, yet all were on the Kyle vote. I realize this may have been in part due to not making majority, but perhaps knowing that DB was innocent, deterred one or more of them from voting for him.

*edit - By this, I mean, Jackie, Kenya, Tiffani, and Stacie, who were the first people to participate in two lynches.

I agree with Kyle's idea of going after people who haven't been voted yet is a good idea. I think we need to switch up our methods of who gets lynched because obviously it has not helped us in the long run. I am leaning towards voting for someone who has yet to be on the chopping block.

I think considering that a lot of the the ideas being put out there have been ideas from villagers, it is unlikely that all our ideas have been flawed, perhaps not even our most common targets, and it just happened to have been thus far that the ideas that make it all the way to the lynch are the ones that have been wrong.

Who knows though, but its just kinda a weird method to try to go toward doing something we've never done because we've never done it. Ultimately, we haven't LYNCHED anyone who is still alive here, whether they come up all the time as an option or if they never do (not even sure who would fit under that category). I think what we need to change is how we're coming up with the lynches, not who is coming up for the lynches.

I'm happy with where my vote is.

Deet, what I'm reading from you is this:

- Things seem like they are random.
- The groups are splitting up.

Your conclusion:

- We should vote people off in groups.

That jump makes no sense in my mind, and you haven't convinced me that it should.

I don't necessarily think the wolves are definitely voting on the lynches together, but it is one of many scenarios that is a huge liability in your suggested method.

It definitely is, but it is so unlikely to me that even three of them are continuously together in these votes. I'm surprised that you think that is the case personally quite frankly, lol, cause that to me would be a terrible move on the wolves parts. And as much as you can say that that is indicative of you doubting my methodology, I have not voted consistently similar with people, so if you're inserting that I am a wolf voting in a block with two or three other people, that's just something that I'm quite positive has no even been happening, lol.

You could however be saying that I am protecting two or three people who are voting together continuously who I know or wolves because I am wolves with them...that there could be true I suppose, but its not. In any case, I have said several times that this is a last case scenerio essentially in my head, something to do if desperate and methodology like DerB inserted like reviewing voting patterns don't pan out. I should point out though, what I suggested WAS in fact taking voting patterns and using them to give us better chances to get a correct lynch. I believe rather than voting me because you don't agree with my method for finally nabbing one of those illusive wolves, I'd enjoy to hear your opinions on what would be affective. Afterall, though you can easily argue voting someones methods you disagree with as being your strategy to catch wolf, I would argue that's almost unfair since if you can't bring anything but THAT to the table, your almost nodding to their being no correct method beyond that, and therefore stating nothing I would have said would have pleased you unless I conceived something you yourself could not have otherwise formulated. If that's the case, that seems a bit unfair of you.

I guess what I can ask then Virtuanno, is what do you think is the best course of action to get a wolf? I do at the least think we should begin to think more formulaically to eliminate gut feelings and randomness because here we are Day 3, and its pretty clear that just isn't working, lol. Suggesting that we should just go and vote people who we haven't targeted yet, seems just AS random to me as when accusations were plastered in the first place, and probably as ineffective, I should note.

I find that just because those we have lynched so far have turned out not evil, does not clear those that were also one of the people that we were voting between. As in.. it doesn't clear Stacie nor does it clear Kyle. But it is interesting that those two both think we should vote for those that haven't been voted for at all. When I agreed with Kyle, I wasn't agreeing with that.. I was agreeing that we should look at everyone and not just those that we keep looking at. BUT why is it that they both agree with that.. to have targets off themselves? Do either of you have something to hide or a good reason of why you would want the target off yourselves?

Also I think we need to think about who would have wanted to kill Brant in the night and for what reason. Was Brant getting close with some of his theories that it scared the wolves a little? Made them nervous that they felt the need to eliminate him? Were the wolves newer people??? The reason I ask that last one.. is because why would a very smart wolf kill off Brant at night??? That doesn't make sense since he made himself so suspicious that I think he would have been one of the prime suspects for a lynch this round. So who would eliminate an easy lynch?? Someone that's not sure how the game works.. or maybe someone that is experiencing being a wolf for the first time? It's definitely something that can't be over looked.

What are everyone's thoughts on this? Especially those that have been wovles in the past.. as well as those that are more of vets in these games as opposed to newbies. Of course I want the newbie's opinions too but as a vet.. I just don't think a vet player would purposely kill Brant. The only way I COULD see that happening is if someone was thinking in the frame of mind to frame a newbie. But I think that a wolf that has played many of these games wouldn't worry about that.. and wouldn't have taken out Brant. Like how did they know Brant wasn't possibly the enchanter or the Sorcerer? He made himself suspicious enough.. it's a very calculated risk that I feel was almost a risk that wasn't worth taking. Almost a mistake.

Oh and I forgot something.. does anyone else find it rather odd that those that have been REALLY quiet up until this round are now talking tons.. like where did Virt, Santos, Kyle come from??? I'm a little confused about that.. not to mention Mandie is usually rather quiet in these games the only time I saw her not like that was when she was a wolf and when she was cindy lou.. so basically when she had a role.. So I also find that rather interesting.

Hey Tanisha, Why is it that you notice that us four voted the same in all 3 votes.. but you don't notice anyone else?

Mandie/Cam/Boyd all voted together in all 3 votes. Not to mention you yourself voted with that group 2 votes out of the three. So should we be looking at this closely too?

There are a bunch of patterns that could be pointed out by the list that derB posted for us. Like those that voted with different people every vote.. or stayed voting by themselves.. or didn't vote at all one of the rounds like Kyle, Santos, derB, Virt, Deet.

We all have to also put into consideration that the wolves only know of each other. So that is two, which are either not voting together at all or every now and then voting for each other, possibly jumped on the same vote with each other a time or two. Now the enchanter knows who the two wolves are but the wolves don't know who that person is, so therefore the enchanter will decide whether to jump on a vote with those wolves or not or to keep themselves away from them. There is no way for us to know how the enchanter would go about it but they definitely know where the wolves are voting. Now as for the sorcerer, this person doesn't know who ANY of the evil roles are so it's possible they have voted with any of the other evil roles.. even the other evil roles don't even know. So the likelyhood that some evil roles have voted together is pretty high, but I doubt all 4 are voting together every round. My guess is it's a chance of two evil roles voting together and not knowing it.

What I think is funny here is that if you vote on a lynch you're suspicious and if you dont' vote on a lynch you're suspicious and trying to pretend to be innocent lol You can't win really with some people who just want to lead others around.

derB wrote:

I think is it interesting also, that Brant was on all three, and was innocent.

I also think, it is worth noting, that all four people who were in on the first two lynches*, were not members of the third, yet all were on the Kyle vote. I realize this may have been in part due to not making majority, but perhaps knowing that DB was innocent, deterred one or more of them from voting for him.

*edit - By this, I mean, Jackie, Kenya, Tiffani, and Stacie, who were the first people to participate in two lynches.

Tanisha, The HBGIC wrote:

I also just noticed another trend - Jackie, Kenya, Stacie & Tiffani have all voted for the same person everytime there has been a vote. Do I think there is something to this? Maybe, I guess time will tell. just something i picked up on. maybe we shud start callin the game Black Widows instead of Werewolves hah

Not true, we might end up on the same vote in the long run, but we haven't been on all the same votes. I was actually voting for someone else most of last day round. That person being Stacie

Kenya wrote:

Hey Tanisha, Why is it that you notice that us four voted the same in all 3 votes.. but you don't notice anyone else?

Mandie/Cam/Boyd all voted together in all 3 votes. Not to mention you yourself voted with that group 2 votes out of the three. So should we be looking at this closely too?

ditto what she said

Kenya wrote:

Also I think we need to think about who would have wanted to kill Brant in the night and for what reason. Was Brant getting close with some of his theories that it scared the wolves a little? Made them nervous that they felt the need to eliminate him? Were the wolves newer people??? The reason I ask that last one.. is because why would a very smart wolf kill off Brant at night??? That doesn't make sense since he made himself so suspicious that I think he would have been one of the prime suspects for a lynch this round. So who would eliminate an easy lynch?? Someone that's not sure how the game works.. or maybe someone that is experiencing being a wolf for the first time? It's definitely something that can't be over looked.

I think the wolves made a stupid move, or as you said, are newer players. Or made a smart move that we don't know about yet, as you said, maybe Brant was on to something. He was looking wolfy and probably would've been lynched soon, especially with the latest lynch. So why was he killed? I thought he was the sick relative until his last minute vote. Now that we know he wasn't, we still have to worry about losing our sick person on top of a lynch and night kill He/she only has two days left.

Kenya wrote:

Oh and I forgot something.. does anyone else find it rather odd that those that have been REALLY quiet up until this round are now talking tons.. like where did Virt, Santos, Kyle come from??? I'm a little confused about that.. not to mention Mandie is usually rather quiet in these games the only time I saw her not like that was when she was a wolf and when she was cindy lou.. so basically when she had a role.. So I also find that rather interesting.

Tons? 2-3 posts apiece so far this day is tons? I was told before I wasnt posting enough, so which is it? Or perhaps someone let me know when ive posted just the right amount.

This post is exactly what im talking about in trying to control and steer things in certain directions. Are you worried about us posting our opinions? Perhaps you feel a turn in the tide if the quieter folks start talking more. You also say that taking Brant out would appear to be a rookie mistake in your eyes. Perhaps because he was one of the more outspoken he provided an obstacle for the wolves and they wanted to eliminate it so they could continue to dominate the game hassle free. Something just doesnt seem right

I vote Kenya

Seriously Kyle, you should really stop playing the game so predictable. It's rather boring.

You have yet to even give us what you promised us that you would give. You have also over looked EVERYTHING I have said aside from anything I've said about you that MIGHT be looked at as negative in your eyes. To the extent that you think those that have been really looked at lots should be overlooked now.. like you and Stacie.

Now that shit is suspicious to me, this isn't a game that is all about you, it's about what is best for the villagers and to me I don't feel you are even trying to help the villagers, I feel you are trying to help eliminate them.. therefore

I vote for Kyle.

ummmmm I thought you wanted to vote for people that haven't been voted for yet? Kenya got votes last round

Hi. I've been reading this off and on throughout the day from my phone and I have a few things to say. I will post later because it's going to be one of those posts with some quotes which I need to comment on. Hopefully it won't be too long and annoying...but I won't promise.

Kenya wrote:

Seriously Kyle, you should really stop playing the game so predictable. It's rather boring.

You have yet to even give us what you promised us that you would give. You have also over looked EVERYTHING I have said aside from anything I've said about you that MIGHT be looked at as negative in your eyes. To the extent that you think those that have been really looked at lots should be overlooked now.. like you and Stacie.

Now that shit is suspicious to me, this isn't a game that is all about you, it's about what is best for the villagers and to me I don't feel you are even trying to help the villagers, I feel you are trying to help eliminate them.. therefore

I vote for Kyle.

Im sorry you find my game play predictable and boring, but Im not here to amuse you. Im a good guy, so I'm gonna be pretty straightforward and predictable.

Kenya
For Kyle to be playing predictably, you would have to have knowledge of his alignment (good or bad), correct?

Cam
Who are you leaning towards as being the top three most innocent people?

Santos
Is there a reason you have not had a hand in a lynch yet?

As far as the "it must have been newbies" line of thinking goes, I could see this applying certainly to Santos or Stacie. It might also explain why there was no night 1 kill. Perhaps the wolves discussed it and agreed, but one of them forgot to send in a choice, thinking only one person needed to do so? Just a thought.

Santos started looking kind of shady right now. On top of plugging a different game, which only serves as a distraction from this one, Santos just jumped up a ton of pegs on my suspect list.