Day 4 - Werewolf 8 - Another Quiet Night

Kenya wrote:

Tiff I have found you to be strange mostly with your behavior this round, with a lot of your confusion, seems like how you've acted before when you've had a role.

I've had a role in every game but two, and they've all been good roles except once, if this is typical behaviour for me, then why find me suspicious?

I retract my vote from Kyle


Kyle a couple of questions. I understand why you were waiting to post and being reserved if you are the Seer. I don't understand why you came at at this point instead of waiting to let Tiffani claim first, though. Or maybe you were planning on it, but I'd like your thought process on this.

Everyone else, if Tiffani is a wolf we need to get more information before we lynch her. We should still get all the claims out there. Right now, Kyle is wolfmeat if his claim is true. If he's lying we could be screwed next round. We have a chance to find out who the other evil roles are as well, so let's not end this without more discussion.

Also, why hasn't Virtuanno claimed? It's interesting that Tiffani placed her vote last night on Virtuanno before the claiming process was over. I was going to bring this up after this was all done but I may as well ask now. Tiffani, why wouldn't you wait until Virtuanno claimed?


I would suggest everyone retract from Tiffani until we are satisfied that we have gleaned as much information as possible before ending this day. We don't know what the dice roll will bring for next round.

I also think Tiffani should claim her role (specific role) now.

Alright Tiffani, I have a suggestion.. if Kyle is really the Seer then
our most powerful role is already out and you are probably lying to try
to save yourself. But considering you have stated that you aren't a
plain villager, what role are you then?

LOL Jackie beat me to it.. had to edit and state this.

Virt, Deet, Cam, Santos? Can you all please state whether you are just a plain villager or not a plain villager?

To answer your question Kenya on why inspected who i did:

Night 1-Deetster. Ive played many Survivor games with deet and although we have almost always seemed to be on opposite alliances I still respect him as a very good player and strategizer. With not a whole lot else to base my first "seeing" off of I decided to go with someone, that in my opinion, was insightful and could bring a lot to the game on whichever side he was on. I needed to know if he could be trusted asap.

Night 2-derB. It was around this time that i knew we needed to start thinking outside the box. I by no means actually thought derB was much of a bad guy and it would have been dumb luck had I discovered him a wolf BUT I had to start inspecting people that I didnt feel were in iminent danger of being night killed or lynched. What good is inspecting people that arent gonna be around for the reveal. Not much good in clearing a dead guy.

Night 3-Tiff- She was long on my suspect list as you can go back and check. She hadnt once led the town in the right direction. It was honestly kind of a gamble on who I picked this night. My obvious choices would have been Kenya/Jackie since they have been giving me a beating the last few day rounds. BUT, I also couldnt hold that against them fully since I have in fact been acting suspicious. In hindsite, they were doing me a favor by keeping me off the nightkill radar. Sorry about all the shadiness, but it was truly a means to an end.

I am just a plain villager. Kyle being the seer is extremely surprising, or at least the reveal.

I think it is pretty obvious where this vote should end up, but I see no harm in letting the clock tick some more. Just because we're APPARENTLY going to make a right choice, doesn't mean that we can't allow more talking to occur and get more information.

Thanks Deet!

Yes we have plenty of time left.. we should definitely find out the most information that we can. Like just by you responding Deet.. it shows now that 4 people claimed to just be a plain villager.. so we know one of those 4 has to be evil Not saying it's you just pointing it out LOL!

I placed my vote for Virtuanno because I really didn't expect to see him come online to do anything, argue the point, claim a role, anything. He hasn't done much for the town.

Kyle wrote:

Night 3-Tiff- She was long on my suspect list as you can go back and check. She hadnt once led the town in the right direction.

I also haven't led the town in the wrong direction either. I was only two of the lynches of innocent people, I think you were on just as many, so where are you leading us? And now coming in here and lying, you're just not helping us at all. Which obviously, as a baddie you wouldn't.

Kyle, if you are really the Seer, your play makes perfect sense. Keep in mind, though, you haven't "cleared" derB or Deetster since they could still be the Sorcerer and/or Enchanter.

Modified after posts - okay so far at least one of Stacie, Boyd, me or Deet is lying. Not surprisingly, I can narrow that down to one of Stacie, Boyd or Deet. Let's get the rest of the claims out there, people.

Tiffani, what's your role?

Oh and Kyle.. sorry I didn't reply I missed your post for some reason LOL!

Everything you've said in that post makes a lot of sense and thank you for telling us.

Tiff- Why aren't you answering mine and Jackie's question? Which is the same question I might add.

Kyle a couple of questions. I understand why you were waiting to post and being reserved if you are the Seer. I don't understand why you came at at this point instead of waiting to let Tiffani claim first, though. Or maybe you were planning on it, but I'd like your thought process on this.


I had two trains of thought on this. I was hoping maybe a villager would step forward and claim the seer role in order to protect the seer one more night round but that was a stretch. That came with a lot of risk though for that person because they obviously wouldnt have had the knowledge I have and it could have conflicted and perhaps even led to me being lynched... which leads me to my next thought that what if a wolf claimed my role before me and pinpointed someone I knew to be innocent or even myself. If I had claimed after that then it would have just looked like another reactionary post from me and probably not given much credit. On top of all that, i stay up late and like to sleep late. I was sick of waking up early to make sure another bandwagon vote didnt happen to me before i could reveal(kinda like the last mafia game lol).

Boyd can you please prod Tiffani?

I am sorry i just had to run and clean up dog pee

I'm a horrible liar and do not know what to tell you lol Except I will laugh at you all because you will never figure anything out because you've all been doing such a horrible job so far. Everything I've said and done I would've done whether i'm good or bad. Nothing has been a signal. I've thought everything from the point of view as a villager, but with only two villagers and tons of roles left, I got nothing I can do that can't be disputed, so have at 'er, sorry to not be able to fight better, i love this game and wanted to very very much, but i lost my only safety net when the lycan was lynched lol

Did you just claim wolf?

That's what it sounds like she claimed.. but in a weird way.

Well, with Kyle coming forward as Red, and Tiffani just admitting she's a wolf...

I vote Tiffani

Also, I'm not a plain villager. Seems like this round will end pretty straightforwardly.

Tiffani wrote:

Everything I've said and done I would've done whether i'm good or bad. Nothing has been a signal. I've thought everything from the point of view as a villager, but with only two villagers and tons of roles left, I got nothing I can do that can't be disputed, so have at 'er, sorry to not be able to fight better, i love this game and wanted to very very much, but i lost my only safety net when the lycan was lynched lol

Sounds like a wolf to me.

Kyle, you had been acting REALLY shady. But like you said I guess it was to keep the wolf target off you. So good job! I hope we can turn this game around now.

I still think we shouldn't end the round yet, we all know she's a wolf and that's great we will lynch her but we still need 2 people to claim not a plain villager or plain villager. We need to learn as much information as we can for the next round.

Two more votes on Tiffani and this round is over. You guys do understand why we need to wait to close it down, right? Tiffani is looking pretty wolfy but ending it without talking about Tiffani's possible partners only benefits the bad guys.

Is Virt the only one left to claim? Either way, we have 5 good power roles claimed and 4 villagers right now, correct?

Santos and Virtuanno are the only two left to claim.

Tiffani voters should retract for now. Votes can be replaced once everyone has claimed and we all discuss.

The biggest bonus to all this now, once Tiff is lynched and Im obviously nightkilled you will have plenty of Tiffs old posts to pour over to look for clues on another wolf. Happy Hunting

Couple of other notes

1. Thank you all for killing the lycan lol
2. Kenya, the reason I initially picked you as my voting target was because Deet layed the first vote on you. I was trying to earn his trust without being too obvious since he had came back as innocent to my first inspection. Even though he retracted and never voted you again, our daily back and forth just morphed into the perfect cover for me from being nightkilled by the wolves. Not clearing you, just giving you my reasoning why I was riding that out.

Kyle - Thanks for explaining that it does make a lot of sense now. You did act REALLY suspicious and I just couldn't grasp it at all lol. How about you tell us all your opinions now since you most likely will be night killed tonight. Share everything that you can so we have something to help us out.

Kyle, huge props for redeeming your play since last game, lol.

Oh and I just thought of another thing that made me suspicious of Tiff before.. I was trying to remember all my reasons to answer Tiff when she asked me.. it was when she was okay with the aura seer being killed. I mean I got why she was okay with it because of the fact that dragonldy had the role but she just seemed WAY too okay with the aura seer being gone and nobody else felt that okay with it. They may have felt that dragonldy was a waste of having that role and probably wouldn't have helped us BUT losing that role was bad.