Season 6 - Saw - Day 1

Dogdude84 wrote:

Ok so I haven't posted for a while but have been reading up on posts and have gotten through page 12 (I intend to read the rest and post accordingly). Some people have posted about the trend of wolves voting in the middle of the pack to lynch villagers.

Kenya started a vote for me and Deet and Pete quickly followed. Votes were retracted after my momentary quit.

Donna (Dragonldy) was the next target, gaining votes from Jackie, Brant, Tiffani, Gary, Pete, and Virtuanno in that order.

The bandwagon has switched again, currently on Tiffani, with votes from Jackie, Kenya, Brant, Dragonldy640, Virtuanno (again, in that order).

Names that have popped up as voters more than once are Jackie, Brant, Pete, and Virtuanno. Obviously wolves want to get their votes in to push for a potential lynch, so that makes these 4 people suspicious to me. What confuses me is why the vote keeps switching...

Yes folks, Cam came to play this time.

Well, I never voted for you. And I was the one who started both the vote for Dragonldy (I explained why in case you haven't read ) and Tiffani. This vote I feel strongly about and if you think it seems suspicious I guess all I can say is if I was really an accomplice, why would I target an innocent person so strongly? If she gets sacrificed and she is innocent then I look really bad. I didn't play that way last round when I was a wolf and I wouldn't do it this round, either. It's dumb gameplay and I would think you would give me a bit more credit.

Brant wrote:

Termy wrote:

I am suspicious of Brant because while he used probability for his argument, he really didn't offer much of a defense why he shouldn't be voted against. Comparing other games and people's roles from previous games does not affect this game at all. This is a new game, new people, and new investigation. Therefore, instead spewing bullshiit math to make yourself look smart, why not ask people questions that is more relivent to the current game? For example, what do you think of Deetster, Jackie, Pete, PhocQ?

I am sorry, but I have ideas of everyone's playing styles from past games...and I can't just forget them and start completely fresh. Most old people here are using past games for reference as well to compare how people acted when they were good with how they acted when they were evil. I'll defend myself now from a few accusations against me:

1) One accusation that PhocQ made is that I might be evil because I haven't had an evil role and that the "law of averages" says that I'm bound to be an evil role eventually. As Deetster pointed out, he, Tiffani, and Pete haven't had evil roles either. Every game has a randomly selected group, so I think that's a dumb reason to target someone.

2) I defended derBmoose because I didn't want to lynch a new player, and it looked like he and Virtuanno were going to force us to choose sides this early. New players coming out so active early aren't nearly as suspicious to me as people laying low and not standing out. I would've lynched him if we had to choose sides, but they compromised for now, and I'm happy that I don't.

3) Deetster and PhocQ both are suspicious about me because of past games and using the terms "The Old Brant" versus "The New Brant" and wanting to lynch me because I'm not laying as low as they'd expect. My defense is that I want to be active and contribute because it makes the game fun. I don't want to be lynched or killed in the night, but I just like playing this way and that's a risk I'll take.

4) As far as me using math and statistics after they didn't work well last game... Well, last game they failed because I made some bad assumptions like clearing Jackie and PhocQ. This game, I'm still going to use math and statistics, but I'm changing it up to hopefully make them better and not making any definite assumptions like that.

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Ranking Those 4 People From Most Suspicious to Least Suspicious
1) Pete: Pete basically falls into the pattern of why I suspect Tiffani. He's laying low and seems to be trying to play like he typically does, yet he DID vote for Dragonldy and seemed to be hoping she'd get the majority so he'd cruise through the round. I think it's likely that at least one wolf voted for Dragonldy, and it could have been Pete just as much as it could be Tiffani.

2) PhocQ: He somewhat admitted to just watching me this game because I haven't had an evil role yet and is now saying the "law of averages" says I'm a wolf. He also started randomly lynching people for using the term "wolf" before. I definitely think that he has a role based on the funny way that he's acting. He's keeping a degree of suspicion so that he's not killed in the night, yet is somehow doing it in a way that he won't get targeted. I think there's something to the way that he's acting, but I don't know what it is. One possible theory is that he's possibly trying to switch the target to me to protect Tiffani, although I'm not sure he'd be so obvious with it if that's true.

3) Deetster: Deetster...is presenting logic that you have to really strain your brain to grasp and try to put yourself in his head. It's usually really smart logic if you think about it, but it sometimes confuses people and makes him a target. So that's how he typically plays, and I think he'd make a great evil accomplice because he could camouflage his evil theories by making them sound like his ordinary theories. I don't know how we could really determine his innocence based on his playing style without lynching him, but I'm not sure if there's enough reason to suspect him or not.

4) Jackie: This Jackie, to me, feels like the Jackie who wasn't a wolf. Jackie admitted last game as a wolf that she was trying to play like she normally does, but there was a slight difference that some of us felt. I even pointed it out in the early rounds. She seemed to be a little more subtle and low key. Here, she's not that way at all and is exactly how she'd play as an innocent victim and how she played in the early games.

The top 3 all fall in the potentially suspicious to very suspicious range for me. Jackie's closer to not suspicious on the scale.

Yay! Public lists are always a successful tool! [/sarcasm]

Yay Termy is back! I do think its possible that you have a role but I'm not sure whether its a good or bad rolr just yet. But you being more vocal is refreshing.

Yay for Cam feeling better and coming back to play and that is a good observation.. no idea if it means anything though but it does throw out some patterns.

Jackie I completely get your logic and I still agree with it but I'm starting to think that we won't find out at all this round based on those that have not voted yet. Which they could be waiting because there is votes on them..

Pete - I just want to apologize for my earlier post to you. When I re-read it, it sounds kind of "high and mighty" and I guess I can just blame it on the fact that I'm a bit cranky today. Anyway, I do feel you should consider the posts and maybe vote this round if you feel it is warranted but I'm sorry I said it the way I did.

Brant is becoming more and more suspicious to me.

DEADLINE: 28th October 23:59EST

Votes:

1 Vote of 8 : derBmoose (Dragontear)
2 Vote of 8 : DragonLady640 (Tiffani, Gary)
5 Vote of 8 : Tiffani (Jackie, Kenya, Brant, Dragonldy640, Virtuanno)
2 Vote of 8 : Brant (PhocQ, Alexmel)

Pending Votes: 5 People Not Voting
Termy, Dogdude84, Deetster, derBmoose, Pete

Well, in all fairness, we all do those public lists a lot, but I don't know if maybe it's better not to publically state all our thoughts. I kinda thought about that, but who knows if it is or isn't better, lol. I guess publically stating all our thoughts will help us come to more conclusions, but it also could be taken advantage of, or have the evil people react exactly how they think would be better based on seeing our thought processes, and what would make us do what based on our statements, where as it would be the innocent ones who wouldn't manipulate each other in such witty ways.

But yeah, I do agree with Brant becoming suspicious, and just acting in ways that I really wouldn't expect. He targetted two people as good people to get out, and now he's going on to a new case. It just seems random to limit a vote down to two for the better of everyone based on the past, and then to switch to something totally new. Just seems inconsistent, and I wouldn't expect that from Brant, though others who I wouldn't think to be behaving so inconsistently, have been, as Cam pointed out very nicely.

But I'll go with the person up there that I feel the most safe voting.

I vote to lynch Brant.

I retract my vote for Tiffani

I vote to sacrifice Brant.

You're either an accomplice, or a terrible villager.

Wait, what did I do? Termy asked me my opinion on those 4 people, and I gave him them. He said I didn't defend myself enough, so I defended myself more.

I'm sticking with Tiffani. I disagree with the reasons to suspect me and believe that there is MUCH GREATER reason to suspect Tiffani. Also, if Tiffani does turn out to be an accomplice, it could yield more useful information about the other accomplices than If I'm lynched and you learn nothing.

Plus, I'm not an Accomplice.

The last game when I went against Brant, it wasn't based on logic. It was just me going on a feeling I had.

Of the people I named as suspicious, I don't feel that Virtuanno is a wolf because I tend to agree with a lot he has to say. This may be a horrible mistake, but it is what it is.

I don't think Jackie is a wolf either, but I don't know why just yet.

That leaves me with Pete and Brant on my red alert status, and of the two, I believe Brant could very well be a wolf.

I have found myself agreeing with not only Virtuanno, but PhocQ, this game. PhocQ brought up that Deet and Pete were quick to jump on a vote against me. This can be seen as wolfy, and definitely makes them suspicious in my eyes. I'm dismissing that for now though. Deet seems to have good reasons for his actions, but as Brant pointed out, it can be somewhat confusing. Pete genuinely feels the same way I do sometimes in these games and honestly changed his vote away from me (in part) for that reason.

I am not going to vote yet, but it seems the vote is trending toward Brant now (so many bandwagon shifts!). We have just over a day to finalize suspicions and votes for this round. I won't be able to post until tomorrow night because I have a day chock full of school tomorrow. See y'all then.

DEADLINE: 28th October 23:59EST

Votes:

1 Vote of 8 : derBmoose (Dragontear)
2 Vote of 8 : DragonLady640 (Tiffani, Gary)
4 Vote of 8 : Tiffani (Jackie, Kenya, Brant, Dragonldy640)
4 Vote of 8 : Brant (PhocQ, Alexmel, Deetster, Virtuanno)

Pending Votes: 5 People Not Voting
Termy, Dogdude84, Deetster, derBmoose, Pete

well i agree with a lot of what people are saying. i do think that brant is up to something, as defending derbmoose, and saying you will not vote for him because he is a intelligent new player... you keep on saying your not a accomplice to me it does seem really suspicious. and pete noticed that brant, kenya and jackie all changed their votes at the same time. don't think that any of these 3 are working together or that would blow their cover. i had a suspicion that brant was working with virtuanno but as he changed his vote against brant it threw my thoughts out the window, but who has not suspected brant this game?.hmmmm.. it does seem like brant is playing almost the same game as the previous game, i don't know if this is the right thing to do but

i retract my vote for DerBmoose,
and i vote to lynch Brant

I guess I don't understand why people are suspecting Brant since I see him playing as he did last time and the people who are now saying it's not a good idea to post public lists are people that have done it quite frequently in the past. Deet, you are playing radically different than you have in the past as far as I have noticed. And even if you think it's not a good idea to post so much info now (no doubt because your hero says so) you can't seriously be saying you suspect Brant because he is? To me he is being Brant and I hope this doesn't end up in a lynch because I think it is a huge mistake.

The only good that will come of this is if Brant is lynched/sacrificed, then hopefully people take a look at all the jumpers. Funny how it was suspicious of Brant to change his vote a few times but the people who are voting for him have also done this. This vote is very fishy and very scary.

Also, the only people who should not want everyone to post their ideas and thoughts as much as possible are accomplices. They would be content hiding in the dark and letting us all muddle through this with the least amount of info as possible.Think about it. I would beware of people telling you to write notes but keep your ideas/thoughts to yourselves.

I stand by my vote for Tiffani and while I am afraid she will come out of this round unscathed, I really encourage people to look hard at me and my posts. I know that I may be less trustworthy because of the last game and I can't blame you for that, but I am playing for the good guys here and I have really put my neck on the line to try to help that side. If you honestly look at me and think I am not being honest, then please say so because I would love to talk about that. If, however, you think I am being open and honest then I ask you to please give me a little credit for making some correct decisions in the past. I cannot possibly know this for sure but I really really believe Brant is not an accomplice and that if he leaves it is one huge victory for the bad guys.

Jackie wrote:

I guess I don't understand why people are suspecting Brant since I see him playing as he did last time and the people who are now saying it's not a good idea to post public lists are people that have done it quite frequently in the past. Deet, you are playing radically different than you have in the past as far as I have noticed. And even if you think it's not a good idea to post so much info now (no doubt because your hero says so) you can't seriously be saying you suspect Brant because he is? To me he is being Brant and I hope this doesn't end up in a lynch because I think it is a huge mistake.

The only good that will come of this is if Brant is lynched/sacrificed, then hopefully people take a look at all the jumpers. Funny how it was suspicious of Brant to change his vote a few times but the people who are voting for him have also done this. This vote is very fishy and very scary.

Also, the only people who should not want everyone to post their ideas and thoughts as much as possible are accomplices. They would be content hiding in the dark and letting us all muddle through this with the least amount of info as possible.Think about it. I would beware of people telling you to write notes but keep your ideas/thoughts to yourselves.

I stand by my vote for Tiffani and while I am afraid she will come out of this round unscathed, I really encourage people to look hard at me and my posts. I know that I may be less trustworthy because of the last game and I can't blame you for that, but I am playing for the good guys here and I have really put my neck on the line to try to help that side. If you honestly look at me and think I am not being honest, then please say so because I would love to talk about that. If, however, you think I am being open and honest then I ask you to please give me a little credit for making some correct decisions in the past. I cannot possibly know this for sure but I really really believe Brant is not an accomplice and that if he leaves it is one huge victory for the bad guys.

That is all fine and good, but I think it's so strange how people are taking this game, especially on the first round, as there being able to be a huge gap between obvious and not obvious, and if words fully matter too.

Sure, you can say what you want about yourself personally, but defenses about it being stupid of dumb to target one person or the other, at least at this stage in the game, is weird to me. "It's a dumb move to go after me, because I'm a villager". "honestly look at me and think I am not being honest, then please say so because I would love to talk about that."

Like...you can say whatever you want in this game at least at this point, but for the most part, the first lynch is going to be random and difficult to make a "smart" move, or to truly be able to prove or disprove honestly.

I'm not saying anything is wrong with saying ideas Jackie either, but for ME and MYSELF I have seen that me doing that has deterred the game at a point, and that my ideas are sometimes completely used, when half the time I am guessing, and if anyone is going to say in this game they aren't more or less guessing based on loose logic, lmfao, then I think they need to rethink this game a little bit, especially if your trying to say there's REDICULOUSLY educated guesses that can be made at this point.

What I am saying of Brant is I wouldn't EXPECT HIM to be switching the way he is, and I would expect him to be less willing especially after last game to be flopping a little carelessly. Besides, he defended DerBmoose, after saying it was a smart idea to get either him or Virtuanno out, yet he described DerBmoose in a context very similar to Virtuanno in my opinion regarding why he should be kept. More than anyone, I really wouldn't suspect that from the more linear Brant, and this time I think with what little we have, it makes the most sense to me, more sense than Tiffani anyway.

so I wasn't gonna come on here until tomorrow night but have decided to come on now and after reading everything I have a lot to say

First, I have had my own issues lately and for the last few days they have been bothering me real bad and last night it got real bad after reading the archives for OPS4. I even went as far as to almost send Thian a pm asking him to remove me from the game and leaving the site for a while.
I'm not going to quit, or leave the site, however, this will be my final game for a while, with OPS4 being my final Survivor/Big Brother game ever.

So regarding this game, this is what I want to say:

First off, it has now been mentioned before that people who have never had roles before have a higher chance of having roles now, and people put me in that group, which is really making me angry, because I've had roles on two different occasions, I know I was out first cause I'm that bad at having roles but please don't ignore my post when I state something and continue to think false information.

Now with that out of the way, I'm not an accomplice, I could say that until I'm blue in the face and no one is going to believe me, so whatever think what you will but it won't help yourselves in the long run.

I also find it funny the fact that people are saying that people who switch their votes are more suspicious when more than half of the group has done that, and done it more than once.

I regret voting Dogdude, I voted him in a moment of frustration and annoyance, I've been in his shoes before and I was lynched for getting upset like that and for some reason at that moment I wanted him lynched to make it the same as what happened to me, a bad reason I agree, but that is also the reason I retracted my vote.

As far as my vote for Dragonldy, she always makes me feel uneasy because I feel that she does not like me and hasn't liked me since OPS1 when I made a really foolish move that cost her the game (and Donna, I really am sorry for that). I also feel that she is one of the hardest people to read within this game, another reason that I felt voting for her made sense. I didn't realize that feeling that way would make me suspicious.

Now, as for the vote, I said I wouldn't vote and that made some people annoyed and I did that last night when I was upset and just felt stupid because no matter what I say or do no one ever trust what I say or do. I feel like I'm always ignored whenever I make suggestions and decided to just give up trying to figure things out.

With that said I will vote, for the person that I agree with peoples opinions on and that is all I'm gonna say because I just don't feel like posting more than that.

I vote for Brant

With that states, I'm done. Not discussing anything anymore, nor changing my vote anymore. Doubt anyone will really take much I said as anything like always, or twist it into something it isn't, but there you have it.

*sigh*

Is that 6 votes now?

Please don't lynch me. It's just a really big mistake. Or if you do, at least wait until closer to tomorrow's deadline before placing that 8th vote for me so we can get more out of this discussion because it's a good one.

DEADLINE: 28th October 23:59EST

Votes:

2 Vote of 8 : DragonLady640 (Tiffani, Gary)
4 Vote of 8 : Tiffani (Jackie, Kenya, Brant, Dragonldy640)
6 Vote of 8 : Brant (PhocQ, Alexmel, Deetster, Virtuanno, Dragontear, Pete)

Pending Votes: 4 People Not Voting
Termy, Dogdude84, Deetster, derBmoose

Jackie wrote:

Tiffani, before this post I don't believe you ever did say you were innocent.

There was a comma after the word posted, what you quoted was I posted, I'm innocent, and what I posted was..............

Tiffani wrote:

I dont' think I've ever started a vote, but if that's what makes me suspicious then so be it lol

Like I said, it was hockey night, birthday night, as well as son in pain night, so I really didn't have time to sit here and say much else that night.

Jackie wrote:

I looked back at your posts in this thread and most of them are social comments instead of ideas as to who is guilty or not guilty. I said most, so keep that in mind. It just strikes me that you may be trying to fly under the radar and by not accusing anyone you don't have anything to answer for later when discussion comes up next round about who said what this round.

I don't think I've ever out and out accused anyone in a game until further on when we've had more information. I've always been pro-no lynch the first round and still am, but I've always followed in and went either with majority or my gut the first vote when a no lynch has been basically tossed aside. I gave my reason why I voted Dragonlady despite there being no majority yet, but other than that, I can't think of anyone else I suspect.
I don't mind that you're saying most or even if you had of said all lol I'm just trying to figure out why, if nothing's different, why is it suddenly suspicious?

I retract my vote for Dragonldy640


I don't really know who to suspect, but I know I don't want to go already, it so sucked leaving the game so early last time lol I know no one wants to leave but I only care about me, so i'm going to

Vote for Brant

Okay so I'm at 7 now. Please someone who voted for me retract your vote JUST so we can discuss this more.

You can still vote for me tomorrow before the deadline, but we're uncomfortably close to ending this now. That would not be good.

And when I say retract now, I mean literally like now. I could die any second.

Please! lol.

I'll end it! I retract my vote for Tiffani and.............


I vote for Brant!

You should have taken a balloon.

Btw, you guys just lynched the seer. Bye.

Holy cow.... why the quick swinging of votes to Brant?....