Season 6 - Saw - Day 3

I did not start the derb vote and I did say I was shocked and what not about brant. But you know what I'm over this already.. just lynched me or whatever the term.. I'm too concerned about other things in my life right now than to defend the fact that I'm innocent and I want you all to look hard at deet once its revealed that I am innocent. Goodnight!

Well, I have been suspicious of Kenya, SORT OF, for a bit, and Jackie dying does not strengthen it or weaken it. I think Deet was the only one that thought either or was an accomplice. Alot thought they were accomplices together. The past two rounds though, I find it interesting that Dragontear is so STRONGLY defending Kenya. When Jackie did that for me the game where I was late, everyone came down so hard on her for it and determined that we both HAD to be wolves, yet we weren't. So why isn't anyone pointing fingers this time? Y'all learn your lesson? lol
As much as Deet is usually #1 on my suspect list because he's smart and wily lol And he probably would be the one I'd vote for except like he said himself

Deetster wrote:

For me, I argued against the lynching of the innocent, and promoted and advertized the lynching of Brant. I wouldn't have done either of those things (albeit as an innocent I got lucky, since I couldn't have possibly KNOWN these things for positive), but I acted on my intuitions, and ultimately did do what was right for the innocents.

It all leads back to Brant's death. MAYBE he set Brant up. MAYBE he didn't expect Brant to really die. I dont' know.

Right now I'm leaning more towards Kenya but then also I think if we're getting no help from quiet ones in any way shape or form, why keep them around?

Tiffani wrote:

The past two rounds though, I find it interesting that Dragontear is so STRONGLY defending Kenya.

I think it's just cuz they're a couple.

Well I figured that much as well, but they weren't this defensive of each other last game. Could be a "couple" of accomplices

Tiffani wrote:

Well I figured that much as well, but they weren't this defensive of each other last game. Could be a "couple" of accomplices

lol, think what you will but im just defending kenya becuase i think she is innocent, just as i was protecting jackie in a way and thinking she was innocent. i have no intention of voting for someone who is i think is innocent. as for derb, he was not just an innocent victim, he was the hevily sedated. who knows if we have nailed another accomplice he could of become another accomplice to keep the game going more interesting.

But he was just another innocent victim as the real role reveal said. I never said I suspected you, i was kidding about that part, I just said I suspect Kenya, and have since the beginning. I find it more logical to think she's an accomplice than Deetster, considering we have to look back to the first round as well as any round since and coming.

Hi everyone, i just want you to know that just because i don't post often does not mean that I'm not reading every post ( at least 2-3 times). I still have my suspicions about dragonlady, but obviously the rest of you are not as suspicious as I am. After reading through the last round again I have to admit that I'm now getting suspicious of Kenya as well. At least twice she came right out & said that she is an innocent victim after recieving votes.

I've known Kenya for awhile & know that she's a very good & intense player but her last post sounds to me like she doesn't care if she gets lynched. This is not the Kenya I've known & that makes me wonder if she's kind of laying back, hoping that her non-chalant attitude will keep her from getting voted for.

I'm going to wait & see what everyone else thinks & then vote.

Gary I will PM you on facebook and tell you what is more important. You would be a good person to talk to about it now that I think about it.

It's nice to hear all of your thoughts so far. I think pretty much everyone except Kenya and Dragontear posted some very good points so far.

DragonTear wrote:

as for derb, he was not just an innocent victim, he was the hevily sedated. who knows if we have nailed another accomplice he could of become another accomplice to keep the game going more interesting.

Not 100% sure but me thinks the heavily sedated's role was pre-determined and he was going to be just an innocent victim.


It seems to me that neither Kenya or Dragontear have offered much of anything in the way of helping us figure out the accomplices. I think some people put too much stock in the "an accomplice wouldnt be associated with Brant" theory. When Kenya was agreeing with Brant it was when he wasn't a target. So she had no reason to fear being associated with him in a small way. It can only get you caught if they get caught. Once Brant DID become a target she had nothing to say on the matter and when the votes came rolling in, she was nowhere to be found. Dragontear is pretty random so it's hard to gauge where his head is at. But his posts lately are just misinformed and seemingly trying to point us in misguided directions.

Kenya's recent posts might as well me an admission of guilt. Defending yourself with "whatever, you will lynch an innocent" is usually the last thing every evil role says.

There is still lots more to consider but those two, Kenya more so, are sticking out like sore thumbs.

I shouldn't bother to post.. I really shouldn't.. but I gotta say something.. I was at work when Brant got lynched. There was no way for me to even change my vote for starters.. not to mention I did think he was innocent just as Jackie did, for exactly the same reasons.

I have given my thoughts so many times but nobody but Jackie even cared what I had to say. You can say I'm guilty, you can lynch me, like I said I don't even care anymore.

It may seem in character or out of character for me to behave in the way that I am.. but I think ANYONE would understand a lot more if they knew what I was going through at this moment, which I don't want to talk about just yet because I"m not ready to. But I am really starting to think it's related to what is going on with me right now. I'm not making excuses, I will tell certain people in private if they would like to know.. but otherwise I'd much rather just keep it on the downlow anyway.

Also I NEVER said this whole Jackie kill was to frame me.. that was something that DragonTear said, I don't appreciate having Deet saying that I said it or I was doing it on purpose as an accomplice to make myself looked framed. I'm not the type of person that even thinks that way.. people that think that way is like Deet and PhocQ.

Also this is not like a normal ORG.. so to base how I play in this game to how I play in a normal ORG.. is kind of weird to me. I'm a much better ORG player than games like this, I find.


As for Alexmel, I don't even know what to think of him. I'm finding that he's not being very useful in the game and him leaving wouldn't be much of a loss for anyone. But at the same time if he's innocent, that is one more person that keeps the accomplices from winning. So I'm not sure whether we should risk finding out if he's a role or not.

Also this game I've been trying to counter when someone accuses me since there is always two sides to a coin, when someone is being accused.. there is always something you can say back that can make them look just as guilty as well. I'm just trying that out to see how it does and if it works for me to even do. Works well in my head but doesn't seem to be received very well. I'm always trying different ways to play the game and to act. Not to mention I've been constantly after Cam.. and I've said time and time again that I suspected Cam and derb so I don't know why it was so suspicious of me to vote for derb in the first place.. nobody will go after Cam for whatever reason.

But either way when I'm gone since I do predict I'll be lynched this round.. you all need to seriously think about who kept pushing for me so hard.. just as those that pushed for Jackie so much very well should be looked at this round. Although I do feel that whoever killed Jackie was someone that was one of her supporters, which I know makes me look suspicious but I would not be so close to Brant if I were an accomplice.. that is way too risky for me and would only have you all suspicious of me so why on earth would I do that? Did anyone go back and read the game where I actually was a wolf to see how I behaved then?

By the way I have not been defending DragonTear at all, he's defended me but not vice versa.

I vote for DragonTear

DEADLINE 12 Novemember 2010 Time 23:59 EST

MAJORITY needed 6 Votes

VOTES:
1 Vote of 6: Deetster (DragonTear)
1 Vote of 6: Dragontear (Kenya)

Pending Votes
Tiffani, Gary, Alexmel, Dogdude84, Pete, Dragonldy640, PhocQ

Did you vote for Dragontear to prove a point or do you really find him suspicious? If you think Cam is more suspicious, why not vote him? I totally agree with your comment about Alexmel, although he's never around giving help, if he's innocent, he's worth keeping just to help us be hopefully one step closer to figuring out who is an accomplice and who isn't.

I voted for DragonTear because I do find him suspicious.. it's like 50/50 for me and I want other peoples opinions as well.

The reason I haven't voted for Cam yet is I haven't decided whether I'll try to vote him again or not since it never goes anywhere anyway, it makes me feel nobody will vote that way anyway. But I'd totally vote that way.

I'm really confused! There are 2 accomplices out there and I have no idea who they could be. I doubt Gary or Alex are accomplices. I have to think about the rest.

A lot of what you said there Kenya was odd to me.. for example, saying that "you don't think like that". Then you said that me and Phoc are the kind who think like that.

What the heck does that even mean? Lol. I feel like you can completely wrap your head around what I've said, and could easily think like that, and that's not based on anything I know about you, and your ORG playing, lol, whereas I can't see much place else you are getting that I "think like that". I'm just saying what makes sense for an accomplice to do, and as for saying you said the framing thing, I parenthesized that it might have been someone else to say it, but the effect of it is all the same. Besides, others didn't look at Jackies lynch in relation to you the same way I did.

I truly feel if Dragontear WAS an accomplice, he wouldn't be defending you as strongly as he has been. I think if you were both accomplices you wouldn't be trying to teeter the votes in his directions as well. That leads me to feel he's not an accomplice, and still suspect you are. I think we are definitely wading in dangerous waters here, because you are now saying certain aspects of your behavior are due to X, but regardless those aspects of your behavior are not what I am in anyway accusing. It's not behaviors, its actions, which have actually been more if anything than usual, and they haven't been beneficial thus far.

Whatever though, lol. I guess I'm just people "like" that who think like this, whatever those types of people are, whom you aren't. I'm sorry that stuff is happening outside of the game though, and I hope all is fine, but I trust an issue would effect your behaviour rather similarly accomplice or not, so it shouldn't be determinative if you are suspicious or not, which I think you are attempting to make sure it's not. For me it's not, it's what you've done, not so much how you've done it.

I think we need to start weeding out people who COULD be accomplices, but simply will NOT help. I think Kenya may just be consistently wrong, but if someone doesn't give us the chance to see they've done wrong, cause they haven't done much, that's really dangerous, and last round, Alexmel did just go right ahead and lynch DerB, and he also didn't vote Brant. That's something Kenya did as well, and the accomplices will not kill of Alex, and will just kill others of us off, and idk if it's cause he's innocent...or if MAYBE, just maybe he's one of them.

I don't think Dragontear is an accomplice by the way, and I think I get his actions.

I vote to lynch Alexmel

you could vote to lynch me, but im sure there are others out there that are more suspicious, i may not offer much to the game as into who the accomplice's are but all i have is my suspicions, and like derbmoose, i am not going to change my vote unless i really have to. and im not going to vote for someone who i think is innocent. but im starting to think deetster may not be an accomplice, and so many people are still suspecting dragonldy, but at the moment im not sure who the other accomplice's are. i hope that the seer did not use their ability on jackie, that would of been a waste lol

DEADLINE 12 Novemember 2010 Time 23:59 EST

MAJORITY needed 6 Votes

VOTES:
1 Vote of 6: Deetster (DragonTear)
1 Vote of 6: Dragontear (Kenya)
1 Vote of 6: Alexmel (Deetster)

Pending Votes
Tiffani, Gary, Alexmel, Dogdude84, Pete, Dragonldy640, PhocQ

you know what?, i miss jackie and brant.... i have my little posts and mostly everyone else have their little posts. but right now its pretty much deet,phoc and kenya that have longer posts. i miss the most talkative players.. i know its just a game, but i enjoy reading their posts lol........im just complaining i know lol.

DragonTear wrote:

you know what?, i miss jackie and brant.... i have my little posts and mostly everyone else have their little posts. but right now its pretty much deet,phoc and kenya that have longer posts. i miss the most talkative players.. i know its just a game, but i enjoy reading their posts lol........im just complaining i know lol.

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I get what you're saying Dragontear, and it is part of the reason I voted Alexmel, but at the same time, Brant's lynching and being revealed to be an accomplice made a statement in itself regarding the more entertaining people to read through.

Hmmmmmmm I agree that I don't think DragonTear would defend Kenya so strongly if he were an accomplice and she were an innocent, but there's still that slight chance that he could be.
Kenya, lets talk about Cam. Tell me again why you suspect him. He's very quiet and barely around, he could be sitting back and letting us all hang ourselves. You could be onto something with him that I never paid attention to before because the other arguments seemed more compelling, but I'm listening now.

Tiffani wrote:

Hmmmmmmm I agree that I don't think DragonTear would defend Kenya so strongly if he were an accomplice and she were an innocent, but there's still that slight chance that he could be.
Kenya, lets talk about Cam. Tell me again why you suspect him. He's very quiet and barely around, he could be sitting back and letting us all hang ourselves. You could be onto something with him that I never paid attention to before because the other arguments seemed more compelling, but I'm listening now.

You are saying you don't think Dragontear would defend Kenya if he was an accomplice and she was innocent?

Umm...why not? lol The accomplices KNOW who is innocent and from my own experience accomplices WANT to be associated with innocent people. So if Dragontear was an accomplice and Kenya was innocent, it would serve him well to defend her since if we lynched her he could say "see I told you she was innocent". (Just like you and Kenya are saying about Jackie )

When I played as an evil role one of the most natural inclinations is to be on the side of innocents who are lynched. Afterall, accomplices KNOW who is innocent so they can easily just side with the innocents who are about to be lynched, appearing innocent themselves.


Two of the most common things said by evil roles are:

"If you lynch me you will regret it because I am innocent." (when they are a target)

and

"I told you they were innocent". (when an innocent is lynched)



Tiffani, I had no suspicions of you prior to this round because you had helped lynch Brant. But your actions/words each round make me more and more suspicious. I will need to go back and re-examine my thoughts and reasonings for you being or not being an accomplice.

go ahead and go back and read my posts..wont take that long because there all wee little posts hehe