Witches 2 ~ Hocus Pocus Day 3

Oh No Our Bodyguard is gone.

Well, yay for getting a witch at least. Bye dragonldy/Max.

Yikes, no more bodyguard, only half the protectors left...

So, with Virt as a witch, what did we learn? He did vote for PhocQ, and then retracted it. And PhocQ did not vote for Virt, in fact he looked to him for support on a lynch.

Correlation perhaps, but I think it is worth noting.

In general, I still suspect PhocQ to be a witch, for the same reasons I did last time, as well as a few more things I feel are of note. He mentioned wanting to rally a lynch against Dragonldy, looking for outside support without actually starting it.

It's also possible there was a disagreement of sorts. looking back, I feel there were some hostilities that may have made their way into some of Virt's and Thian's posts between each other. Thian also did not vote for Virt.

Kyle is making less of a case for himself in my eyes at this point, for failing to vote for Virt, as well as being generally inscrutable.

Jordan had a vote cast on PhocQ, which in my biased eyes makes him seem less witchy, but I am not letting him off the hook.


And of course, there is always the strong possibility that one or both of the remaining witches outed Virt, for not supporting the kill, or to save face and look like good guys.


I am still looking at the quiet ones who seem to be doing a lot under our noses. That means Cam, PhocQ, Jordan, Stacie, and Kyle. I was wondering what might be going on here guys, and what do you think of my observations?

I have a few observations of my own.

I took notice of everyones votes. They say a whole lot.

I also took notice that Dragonldy was vocal about PhocQ being a witch. If that is what she really believed, was she targeted for that reason?

We got a witch!! The whole inactive thing is really unfortunate for them because it really gives it away when they miss a kill. For that reason, PhocQ may be a witch as well, but it only takes 1 of them not voting for a kill to fail.

derB wrote:

And of course, there is always the strong possibility that one or both of the remaining witches outed Virt, for not supporting the kill, or to save face and look like good guys.

Yeah this has been done in past games. It's a really good strategy. And with this strategy being a possibility in any game really... it makes it harder to tell whether or not witches are employing it.

Why was Donna targeted? I think it's because she's not as outspoken as other players. They would have had no way of knowing she was the bodyguard, so they got lucky with that.

At the end of last round I was really starting to suspect Cam. The way he switched his vote last minute to join the majority seemed out of character but now, knowing Virtuanno was a witch, it makes me think he did so because he knew Virtuanno was in danger of being lynched and he didn't want to end up as one of the people who didn't vote for him.

I am also noting some of the exchanges between Dragonldy and Virt and other people but at this moment Cam is highest on my radar.

It's true too that the witches targeted Donna to make it look like she was on to something, when it could be just a frame.

Since a witch didn't die with Donna this means that Donna was indeed the target and not someone else, so at least we have that to help us. Who would want Donna gone? I agree it was possibly a frame job. She didn't want to vote for Virtuanno though, and only said she'd vote Phoc this round if Virt was innocent. So I'm thinking that if the witches killed her to frame someone, it was a wasted frame up job lmao

See, I told you guys we should vote for Virtuanno!
(sarcasm btw)



Derb, how did I know that after Virtuanno is killed for possibly being the witch that didnt vote you would still accuse me of being a witch even tho your reason before was that I was the witch that didn't vote. lol

Given I was 1 vote away from being lynched I would find it hard to believe that I wasn't investigated to see if I was a witch or not. So chances are at least one of you know I'm innocent. lol

I do think it's very possible that the witches were more than happy to cast their votes on Virtuanno. Not only wasn't he very active but he could have easily been the reason no kill was made no night one. Even tho I was wrong about Dragonldy and didn't jump on the bandwagon for the Virt vote, I can't shake the feeling that the witches were trying to set me up last round. Giving up on me and switching their votes to Virtuanno would have been a great way to seem innocent. There wasn't even a big loss in losing Virtuanno. I'm not sure why they killed Dragonldy but it was obviously a strategic decision. It does help point the finger more at me since I was pointing Dragonldy out. I think it also helps make Derb look a little more innocent since the two of them were voting together.

I was hoping maybe that since the reason everyone wanted to lynch me was because they thought I was the "inactive witch", people would at least try and find a new reason to try and lynch me this round. Seems to me that Derb's reasons for suspecting me are excuses, not reasons. If you want to say I am suspicious cause I didn't vote Virt or because I pointed my finger at Dragonldy then fine. But don't say it's the same as last round because those reasons were disproved at the time and now that Virt is a witch, are even more irrelevant.

Call it stubbornness, but once a suspicion get's set in my mind, it's hard to shake.

I am trying to explore other venues this time instead of hounding you alone, as I think everybody is aware of my stance with you at this point. I am less suspicious of you, as you had not logged in at all again this night phase, yet there was a kill. But that doesn't mean you didn't send Pete an instant message or something. So I am trying to explore other options here by listing all of my observations and building on what I noticed last round which by the nature of this game must include you in my case. If continuing to investigate and question my observations still makes me a target to you, then perhaps my suspicions are well placed.

Oh wow we lost the bodyguard!

My top two suspects are Cam and PhocQ. PhocQ has been a suspect of mine since the very beginning and Cam since last round. Both have been reasonbly quiet, but speak up and and have a lot to say when their name is mentioned as a suspect. Of course, who doesn't defend themselves but just something about the way they do it..

It's time to go derB

who went after Phoc first in the lynchin........ and cast a near last vote against Virt when all was lost. Hi- his name is derB.

see derB, your problem was you backed me up when no one else would, sniffed ya out. Ya suspect son. they were all right to hate on me cuz I made no sense. Backing me was the worst move ever.


I vote to lynch derB

derB wrote:

In general, I still suspect PhocQ to be a witch, for the same reasons I did last time, as well as a few more things I feel are of note. He mentioned wanting to rally a lynch against Dragonldy, looking for outside support without actually starting it.

It's also possible there was a disagreement of sorts. looking back, I feel there were some hostilities that may have made their way into some of Virt's and Thian's posts between each other. Thian also did not vote for Virt.

Kyle is making less of a case for himself in my eyes at this point, for failing to vote for Virt, as well as being generally inscrutable.

Jordan had a vote cast on PhocQ, which in my biased eyes makes him seem less witchy, but I am not letting him off the hook.



I am still looking at the quiet ones who seem to be doing a lot under our noses. That means Cam, PhocQ, Jordan, Stacie, and Kyle. I was wondering what might be going on here guys, and what do you think of my observations?

So, I have quoted some of your statements here, and I have colored some things that stick out. I just want to get this straight.

Are you saying that, you think PhocQ is a witch, and that Thian could be because he didnt vote for Virtuano, .... and that you also suspect the quiet ones, Cam Jordan Stacie and Kyle? (although imo, Kyle isn't quiet)... and lastly, you are saying that Jordan is now less witchy because he voted for PhocQ, whom you also think is a witch?

I think Derb and one of Cam or Jordan are witches. Most likely Cam.

If I need to say why then give your heads a shake. lol


I vote to lynch Derb.

derB:

Is jordan quiet or a key player in the game?

We also know that you support people who play the game and participate. Could you be a lead in lynching Dragonldy since she hardly participates and you leave active people in the game who deserve to be playing?

Jackie:
you tend to agree that dragonldy does not participate much would you say derB's actions have been witch like or would you agree that dragonldy was night killed due to rewarding those people who do participate?

I think maybe the witches THOUGHT they were being strategic in night killing Donna, but I'm not sure they were lol Like I posted already, Donna didn't want to lynch Virt and said if Virt was innocent then she was going after Phoc. Virt was not innocent so she probably wouldn't have targeted Phoc next, so if they were trying to frame Phoc, I don't think it's a good frame. If Phoc is a witch and he was worried, then again, not a good move because it was clear from what she said that she thought the witch was one or the other.

Thian wtf is up with your avatar lol Like what is that from?! lol It's driving me nuts as I try to type haha

Do you have any suspects Tiffani?

Mandie, in a nutshell yes. Right now I believe it is most likely that one or both of the witches voted Virt, instead of neither of them. If it was just one of them, I am trying to decide who amongst those who didn't vote for him would most likely be a witch. How I would rank them:

PhocQ
Thian
Kyle
Jordan


Thian, I think what you are trying to ask (correct me if I am wrong) is if I would have been the one to lead the kill on Dragonldy as a witch? If so, I hardly think it would be advantageous to keep the nosy, active ones in the game. Her style of play is highly beneficial for the evil roles, I would have thought they would keep her around as a great bandwagon vote, or at least use her as a lynch to waste a day phase. The only reason I can come up with for her death would be something to do with a frame-up. In this case, it works well on me, since I do have the tendency to be against lurking.

I also noticed she suspected PhocQ. Also, I am not really surprised here to see PhocQ vote for me after Kyle has. I am starting to believe that perhaps he chose her as a double deal, framing me and getting rid of somebody who would vote for him in one package. Call me crazy, but I gotta follow this up.

I vote to lynch PhocQ.

I obviously agree with Cam as a suspect, as I have already stated. Derb, I don't think your accusations of Phoc make sense and I have been wary of you since last round as well. I always suspect you in games, though, so I am not sure if that is what is making me suspicious. Jordan, you said Cam and Phoc only talk to defend themselves which I don't think I agree with. Plus, I would hope if you are accused you would defend yourself. You really have an obligation to do so - innocent or not. I'd like to hear all three of you defend yourselves.

Thian, if you are suggesting the witches are kind and trying to give more active people a shot I think that is ludicrous. I am sure there was a more strategic reason. Any thoughts of your own on that? Also, I think you're wrong about Dragonldy's participation level. She seemed a little more vocal this game and there are others who were much less active than she was.

Alsol, we have yet to hear from Stacie and I'd like to.

Mandie Leigh wrote:

Do you have any suspects Tiffani?

I think I'm going to have to go back and read everything again, because I didn't really think of Virt as really being a suspect, so I'm going to go back and look there to see, I was in so much pain last week I barely remembered my name lol I'll come back with a coffee, take a look and give my thoughts.

Jackie, I am not really sure how to defend myself here as I have only actively pursued PhocQ, and we have little information as to whether he is indeed innocent, as he only incriminates me, being rather outspoken. In my view, my logic is as sound as I can hope for in a game like this. From my point of view, it also makes sense to agree with Jordan, as the only time PhocQ posts is to defend himself against my accusations and attempt to incriminate me in the process.

These are my observations and I am sticking to them. This is how I play. I don't much care for scattering a bunch of names on the table and sit back, seeing what sticks and who I can get to follow. Aside from the quiet folks, these types are the ones I am wary of, as they never have to make the commitment to sticking out their necks like I do and never get their hands dirty.

Even though Donna wasn't giving anything, she was more vocal than usual, so I think that was kind of proof that she had a role. Virtuanno was one of a few that were incognito the first round, hence why he was targetted as the missing witch. We had a kill and everyone seems to be around this time. Or, are they? Does Jordan ever speak? I know he does once in awhile, but does he do much? I guess that would be Jackie's point about there being less active people to target so the witches weren't being nice lol Unless those inactive people ARE the witches. Which might explain why they killed Donna. They don't know any better. Last time I wondered if the witches were targetting Phoc because he was the missing witch, now I'm wondering if they were trying to paint him as the missing witch since we now know it was Virtuanno. So that again leads me to suspect that the witches were in the first handful of voters for Phoc last round. This is why I again dont' think Phoc is a witch. If Phoc were a witch, Virtuanno was a witch, Phoc was almost lynched, why would Virtuanno take the risk? I dont' think Phoc is a witch, so I'm not voting for him. I'm leaving towards the earlier voters on Phoc, hence Virtuanno voting for him so close to the nail in the coffin. DerB is already a suspect i think? And he was the first one to target Phoc, so I'll add him to my list, well, so far he IS the list lmao Cam didn't vote the first round, did he vote the second? Hold on, I'm on that page lol I should finish before I ask. Oh, I'm still a tad suspicious of Kyle lol So Cam was the one to actually point out that Kyle was trying to claim a role, a claim that was never disputed, but most people, myself included, didn't point this out for obvious reasons, so Cam goes on the list of suspects as well. Wait, I realize why I wasn't sure Jordan was posting, because I dont' see his name it's his avatar i notice and for some reason thought that was someone else lmfao omg I was really sick last week lol Ok, well with the votes, derB & Cam both voted for Virt leaving only one vote to nail the coffin and I have to wonder if both witches would do that. Possibly because it was the last day for voting and the other votes didn't seem to be going anywhere.

Wow on notepad that was only three lines lmfao