w/ Brant
Brant Steele (2:25:30 PM): Hey
Dogdude84 (2:25:41 PM): hey ther
Brant Steele (2:25:50 PM): What's up?
Dogdude84 (2:25:57 PM): my paranoia
Dogdude84 (2:26:02 PM): sup with you?
Brant Steele (2:26:07 PM): rofl
Brant Steele (2:26:19 PM): I'm doing okay, just doing summer class work like usual.
Brant Steele (2:26:29 PM): I talked to Kenya earlier though
Dogdude84 (2:26:40 PM): oh nice
Dogdude84 (2:26:44 PM): yeah i talked to her for hours last night
Dogdude84 (2:26:59 PM): ended up staying up until 5am before i knew it, and was then like WTF bed plz
Brant Steele (2:27:14 PM): Lol, that's commitment to the conversation
Brant Steele (2:27:32 PM): And I just went to bed early, slept in, and talked to her when I woke up, lol
Dogdude84 (2:27:52 PM): i didn't even mean to stay up that late
Dogdude84 (2:27:58 PM): time just got away from me
Dogdude84 (2:27:59 PM): anyway
Dogdude84 (2:28:02 PM): what did kenya have to say?
Brant Steele (2:28:07 PM): It sounds like she wants to vote out Pete but plans on being loyal to me, you, and Bryan.
Dogdude84 (2:28:40 PM): yeah we went back and forth about the pros/cons of keeping deet or pete
Dogdude84 (2:28:47 PM): and i could tell she wanted pete gone
Brant Steele (2:29:30 PM): Yeah. It sucks for Pete because I don't really feel like it's time for him to go, but I don't want to force Kenya to do something she doesn't want to do.
Dogdude84 (2:30:21 PM): yeah, the other part is that deet will see 4 votes against him, and that will REALLY step his game up
Brant Steele (2:30:35 PM): Hmm
Brant Steele (2:30:51 PM): Do you think we all should just vote Pete then?
Brant Steele (2:30:55 PM): Rather than force a tie?
Brant Steele (2:31:12 PM): I mean I honestly don't have a clue what Bryan's doing
Dogdude84 (2:31:35 PM): i talked to him and he was for deet going
Dogdude84 (2:32:51 PM): just looked up my convo log for when i talked to pete
Dogdude84 (2:32:54 PM): he's gone until the 20th
Brant Steele (2:33:03 PM): REALLY?!
Dogdude84 (2:33:15 PM): castleoblivion20 (8:58:33 PM):I'll be there from Tuesday through Sat I believe, I'm also going to Syracuse, NY and Buffalocastleoblivion20 (8:58:37 PM):it's a bit of a road tripDogdude84 (8:58:55 PM):oh awesomecastleoblivion20 (8:59:03 PM):won't be home until the 20th
Dogdude84 (2:33:17 PM): yah
Brant Steele (2:33:39 PM): Well that makes it almost impossible to work closely with him.
Brant Steele (2:35:11 PM): So idk, maybe we should all just vote Pete
Brant Steele (2:35:21 PM): Although I do feel bad doing that.
Dogdude84 (2:35:31 PM): seems like it could be our best strategic move
Dogdude84 (2:35:34 PM): even though yeah it sucks
Brant Steele (2:35:46 PM): I mean we can just tell him Kenya was going to force a tie
Brant Steele (2:35:49 PM): so it didn't matter
Brant Steele (2:36:42 PM): I mean if we do this with Pete...
Brant Steele (2:36:52 PM): we HAVE to send a Hornswoggler home next round
Dogdude84 (2:37:42 PM): yeah
Dogdude84 (2:37:53 PM): as far as kenya being with us, she would most likely want cory out after pete
Brant Steele (2:38:05 PM): I'd do that.
Dogdude84 (2:38:52 PM): i would too. again, good for us strategically
Dogdude84 (2:39:03 PM): but it would SUCK for me because i'm pretty close to him
Brant Steele (2:39:29 PM): Yeah, I'll feel that way with Sadie
Brant Steele (2:39:37 PM): And Kenya apparently with Deetster...
Dogdude84 (2:39:51 PM): i really don't feel like she'll ever vote him out
Dogdude84 (2:40:11 PM): i'm just worried which way she would go at F6
Brant Steele (2:40:15 PM): Well at Final 6...
Brant Steele (2:40:18 PM): We have 2 idols
Brant Steele (2:40:27 PM): And maybe can get immunity and a 3rd idol
Brant Steele (2:40:34 PM): We could make 4/6 of the cast immune
Dogdude84 (2:40:38 PM): lmfao
Brant Steele (2:40:51 PM): And maybe force them to be the 2 un-immune
Brant Steele (2:40:52 PM): idk
Brant Steele (2:41:16 PM): lol, Deetster just asked me who Pete wanted out
Brant Steele (2:41:21 PM): This vote
Dogdude84 (2:41:26 PM): lmao
Dogdude84 (2:41:29 PM): he's trying to work us
Brant Steele (2:41:33 PM): I don't know if he heard his name from someone else
Dogdude84 (2:41:37 PM): to see if he was ever a target
Brant Steele (2:41:37 PM): or what
Brant Steele (2:41:50 PM): Should I say he wanted Deetster out?
Brant Steele (2:41:51 PM): lol
Brant Steele (2:41:54 PM): He'll see that 1 random vote for him
Dogdude84 (2:42:00 PM): oh yeah
Dogdude84 (2:42:08 PM): that's true with the boot list
Brant Steele (2:42:30 PM): He also apparently read our TC's at Snozzwanger
Brant Steele (2:42:35 PM): And Pete mentioned Deetster in one of them
Brant Steele (2:42:36 PM): lol
Dogdude84 (2:42:44 PM): gah stupid deet
Dogdude84 (2:42:48 PM): why can't you just get voted out
Dogdude84 (2:43:35 PM): yeah you could say "deet" to deet from pete
Dogdude84 (2:43:41 PM): yay rhyming
Brant Steele (2:43:50 PM): rofl
Brant Steele (2:46:40 PM): Well Deet thinks Pete wanted to go after himself or Cory
Brant Steele (2:46:45 PM): Cory since Cory has past-votes
Brant Steele (2:46:58 PM): and himself since he's...Deetster
Dogdude84 (2:47:06 PM): lol
Dogdude84 (2:47:48 PM): i wonder how many past votes cory has in comparison to pete
Brant Steele (2:47:56 PM): Cory has 2.
Brant Steele (2:48:03 PM): 1 from Ben
Brant Steele (2:48:07 PM): 1 from Kyle
Brant Steele (2:48:18 PM): Well, either Ben or Kyle the TC Ben went if Ben self-voted
Dogdude84 (2:48:20 PM): oh yeah
Dogdude84 (6:01:23 PM): i don't think bryan will be on in time to make a vote change
Brant Steele (6:03:40 PM): Yeah, so it's going to be 2 definite Deetster votes, 4 definite Pete votes.
Brant Steele (6:03:45 PM): And then us
Brant Steele (6:04:49 PM): Unless Cory, Deetster, and Sadie realize we're all split and vote for someone else, but I doubt that they will because they need to stack all the votes on Pete that they can.
Dogdude84 (6:05:20 PM): lol
Brant Steele (6:05:38 PM): Since none of us said anything (to my knowledge) about voting out Pete to Bryan, hopefully he's not upset.
Brant Steele (6:06:02 PM): But what do you think, should we just vote for Pete? Or force a tie for Deetster that will just prolong the game a day?
Brant Steele (6:06:17 PM): I'm leaning towards the former
Dogdude84 (6:07:26 PM): well will it prolong it?
Dogdude84 (6:07:30 PM): or does it go straight to past votes
Brant Steele (6:07:39 PM): There's a 24 hour re-vote period I think
Brant Steele (6:07:49 PM): And then it goes to past-votes
Dogdude84 (6:08:09 PM): well the only person that would possibly budge on a revote is kenya
Dogdude84 (6:08:32 PM): if we want deet out, we need to make sure he goes
Dogdude84 (6:08:38 PM): otherwise the game will get shit-tastic for us
Brant Steele (6:08:50 PM): Yeah.
Dogdude84 (6:09:05 PM): and i don't think he'd go in a revote
Brant Steele (6:09:13 PM): No, I don't see Kenya budging at all
Brant Steele (6:09:33 PM): We can't utilize our idols here because Pete's not around to play them, unfortunately
Dogdude84 (6:09:40 PM): right
Brant Steele (6:10:13 PM): Deetster's going to see that 6-2 situation and probably realize he's a target
Brant Steele (6:10:26 PM): If we just vote Pete, which I think is the best option unfortunately
Dogdude84 (6:10:50 PM): but is 4-4 really better than 6-2 if deet sees that he was targetted anyway?
Dogdude84 (6:10:59 PM): flip that
Brant Steele (6:11:06 PM): Not really, no.
Brant Steele (6:11:13 PM): Well I guess the only thing is...
Brant Steele (6:11:19 PM): hmm
Brant Steele (6:11:29 PM): I wonder if original Hornswoggler will realize that Pete had a boot list
Brant Steele (6:11:35 PM): And that Kenya didn't just vote with us
Dogdude84 (6:11:44 PM): pin it on kenya?
Brant Steele (6:11:50 PM): lol, I feel really bad doing that
Brant Steele (6:11:57 PM): But they might not know if Pete self-voted or not...
Brant Steele (6:12:06 PM): And won't trust Kenya as much, idk
Brant Steele (6:12:41 PM): Oh, but then in a re-vote they'll know
Dogdude84 (6:12:48 PM): pete's vote would show up at TC though if he really did self vore
Dogdude84 (6:12:49 PM): vote
Dogdude84 (6:13:33 PM): i doubt the host would neglect to show that at tc
Brant Steele (6:13:49 PM): Oh yeah, it would be 4-4 with all of them shown
Dogdude84 (6:14:01 PM): yah
Brant Steele (6:14:13 PM): If Pete did self-vote, then in the re-vote though, Pete wouldn't be able to vote nor would Deetster so...
Dogdude84 (6:14:36 PM): yeah but then it just goes 3-3
Brant Steele (6:14:57 PM): Yeah, it will go 3-3, so they'll know Kenya was with them
Brant Steele (6:15:08 PM): Since she'll vote with Cory and Sadie
Brant Steele (6:15:27 PM): I mean, trying to deceive them about who voted for who wouldn't realy work
Dogdude84 (6:15:29 PM): sucks, but our best move is to go 6-2, gives us more wiggle room than 4-4
Dogdude84 (6:15:57 PM): unless we WORK kenya to death and get her to change
Brant Steele (6:16:02 PM): Yeah...
Dogdude84 (6:16:04 PM): before tonight
Brant Steele (6:16:17 PM): Kenya is at work though
Brant Steele (6:16:27 PM): I think
Dogdude84 (6:16:32 PM): she said she didn't work today
Brant Steele (6:16:59 PM): Oh, then maybe we'll have more opportunities to talk to her
Brant Steele (6:17:17 PM): I wonder what she'd say if we question how far she wants Deetster to go or if that would be too much
Dogdude84 (6:18:01 PM): i'm just trying to figure out to what degree a 6-2 vote is going to hurt us
Dogdude84 (6:18:12 PM): like we can say it was bryan and pete
Dogdude84 (6:18:16 PM): because it will be
Brant Steele (6:18:33 PM): And then Hornswoggler will probably gun for Bryan next round...
Dogdude84 (6:18:36 PM): but deet will certainly trust us less
Dogdude84 (6:18:39 PM): yeah they might
Dogdude84 (6:19:01 PM): but then they almost have a 4-2 on us
Brant Steele (6:19:03 PM): They'll probably realize we tried Deetster but couldn't get in touch with Bryan to tell him we were switching to Pete
Dogdude84 (6:19:08 PM): lol
Dogdude84 (6:19:09 PM): i hope not
Dogdude84 (6:19:12 PM): but maybe
Brant Steele (6:19:30 PM): Or maybe they'll think that Bryan and Pete had an inactive alliance, but that doesn't make any sense -_-
Dogdude84 (6:19:38 PM): haha
Brant Steele (6:19:57 PM): "They only ever talked to each other and must have been targeting Deetster"
Brant Steele (6:20:11 PM): I think unfortunately it's logical to assume we were gunning for Deetster or at least some people were
Dogdude84 (6:20:20 PM): yep
Dogdude84 (6:20:44 PM): i almost want to go 4-4 to see if kenya will switch
Dogdude84 (6:21:06 PM): put her loyalty on the line
Dogdude84 (6:21:09 PM): in a sense
Brant Steele (6:21:37 PM): Yeah, I was planning on doing that earlier after I first talked to her
Brant Steele (6:21:45 PM): And then for some reason started thinking 6-2 would be better
Brant Steele (6:21:55 PM): Hmm
Dogdude84 (6:22:19 PM): maybe if she knows it will hurt us having deet see a 6-2
Dogdude84 (6:22:31 PM): i mean she is still loyal to us after all
Brant Steele (6:23:17 PM): If she's loyal to us, we'd possibly be better that way anyway.
Dogdude84 (6:23:33 PM): which way do you mean
Brant Steele (6:23:38 PM): Because we have no true commitments to the other tribe and wouldn't be betraying them, and Pete would see our loyalty and we wouldn't isolate Bryan.
Dogdude84 (6:23:50 PM): yeah
Brant Steele (6:24:08 PM): You definitely talked to Bryan about voting Deetster recently?
Dogdude84 (6:24:17 PM): only problem is kenya has a "loyalty" to deet because he gave her immunity pre-merge and didn't vote her/me/us out
Dogdude84 (6:24:19 PM): yeah i did
Dogdude84 (6:24:57 PM): her problem is she "feels bad betraying deet"
Dogdude84 (6:25:07 PM): and feels nothing towards pete because they never talk
Dogdude84 (6:25:18 PM): her emotions are effing up our game lol
Brant Steele (6:25:36 PM): Yeah. Her emotions plus Bryan's tendency to not be around plus Pete's vacation.
Dogdude84 (6:25:48 PM): yes it's shitty for her to stab him in the back. i'd be doing it too
Brant Steele (6:25:51 PM): It's on the verge of falling right into Hornswoggler's hands.
Dogdude84 (6:25:55 PM): i know
Dogdude84 (6:26:10 PM): we have to get to her tonight
Brant Steele (6:26:12 PM): Because regardless of what they say, those 3 won't split.
Dogdude84 (6:26:17 PM): right
Dogdude84 (6:26:23 PM): maybe
Dogdude84 (6:26:24 PM): MAYBE
Dogdude84 (6:26:28 PM): we can get cory
Dogdude84 (6:26:37 PM): since he's loyal to me and kenya
Brant Steele (6:26:43 PM): He did mention something about doing what it took
Brant Steele (6:26:50 PM): To get as far as possible
Dogdude84 (6:27:02 PM): yeppers
Dogdude84 (6:27:15 PM): my fear would be asking him to do that
Dogdude84 (6:27:18 PM): and he runs and tells deet
Dogdude84 (6:27:27 PM): which is possible
Brant Steele (6:27:59 PM): I think he would
Dogdude84 (6:28:06 PM): tell deet?
Brant Steele (6:28:09 PM): Unless he thinks it's going to take him further than final 7
Brant Steele (6:28:10 PM): Yeah
Brant Steele (6:28:27 PM): If he thinks it's part of some big, new secret alliance going to the end maybe he won't want to risk ruining it
Brant Steele (6:28:34 PM): By running to Deet
Dogdude84 (6:28:47 PM): we could offer him you/me/kenya/him
Dogdude84 (6:28:50 PM): as a F4
Brant Steele (6:29:18 PM): Yeah, that would be interesting. The only problem is, what if he ends up talking to Kenya tonight?
Brant Steele (6:29:31 PM): And Kenya hears what's going on and isn't happy?
Brant Steele (6:29:40 PM): Idk
Dogdude84 (6:29:41 PM): that's possible
Brant Steele (6:31:12 PM): I'm going to get a quick bite to eat
Brant Steele (6:31:16 PM): But won't be long
Dogdude84 (6:31:23 PM): i'm hungry too lol
Brant Steele (6:31:27 PM): I think really, getting Kenya back online soon is top priority
Brant Steele (6:31:37 PM): Because what she thinks is significant for whether or not Cory needs approached
Dogdude84 (6:31:37 PM): yah
Dogdude84 (6:31:52 PM): we should have a group chat with her
Brant Steele (6:31:53 PM): Or it could just...escalate out of control
Dogdude84 (6:31:54 PM): us 3
Dogdude84 (6:32:08 PM): i'm gonna go pick up some chipotle
Dogdude84 (6:32:13 PM): so i'll be back in a bit too
Brant Steele (6:32:19 PM): Sounds good, talk to you soon
Brant Steele (7:27:00 PM): You back yet?
Dogdude84 (7:27:09 PM): yes
Brant Steele (7:27:21 PM): Same (obviously)
Brant Steele (7:27:38 PM): But Kenya's not budging and apparently Bryan might vote for Pete now
Dogdude84 (7:27:47 PM): eww
Dogdude84 (7:27:57 PM): but i guess that would be ok
Brant Steele (7:28:11 PM): If it's 7-1, it would be a whole lot better than 6-2
Dogdude84 (7:28:34 PM): yep
Dogdude84 (7:28:35 PM): definiteyl
Dogdude84 (7:28:46 PM): was bryan online? how do we know he might switch his vote
Brant Steele (7:30:58 PM): Apparently Kenya isn't sure whether he changed it or not.
Brant Steele (7:31:06 PM): He was on the board earlier
Dogdude84 (7:31:06 PM): oh ok
Brant Steele (7:31:14 PM): And she sent him a PM
Brant Steele (7:31:30 PM): So we have 1 more wonderful uncertainty
Brant Steele (7:31:31 PM): lol
Dogdude84 (7:31:47 PM): hooray!
Dogdude84 (7:32:08 PM): we don't even have the option of making a move then
Dogdude84 (7:32:17 PM): since bryan's vote is unclear
Brant Steele (7:32:36 PM): Yeah, I just sent him a PM
Brant Steele (7:32:47 PM): Explaining that there's a debate and some discussion going
Brant Steele (7:32:51 PM): To see if he'll sign on or whatever
Dogdude84 (7:32:55 PM): kay
Dogdude84 (7:38:19 PM): i hope kenya's with us for next round
Brant Steele (7:38:35 PM): Well she's making it tough on us this round, so she better...
Dogdude84 (7:38:39 PM): lol
Brant Steele (7:38:47 PM): Cory's the person who she's least connected to?
Dogdude84 (7:38:58 PM): not really sure
Brant Steele (7:39:10 PM): We need to pick off whoever she wants us to most
Brant Steele (7:39:25 PM): And definitely not target Deetster if we think this might happen again
Dogdude84 (7:39:44 PM): it's so frustrating
Dogdude84 (9:19:05 PM): yay favorable tribal results
Brant Steele (9:19:56 PM): Yeah, I guess Bryan just randomly self-voted
Brant Steele (9:20:12 PM): Good to know we can depend on his vote.
Dogdude84 (9:20:19 PM): lol ikr
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Brant Steele (9:25:24 PM): Well at least it's not 2 votes Deetster, so that's good
Brant Steele (9:25:57 PM): We'll have to get on him about a boot list although at this point, idk who to even tell him to put on top
Dogdude84 (9:26:33 PM): get on bryan about that you mean?
Brant Steele (9:26:43 PM): Yes, get on Bryan
Brant Steele (9:26:52 PM): ...not Deetster
Brant Steele (9:27:33 PM): Because that can't happen again, especially if Hornswoggler targets him next round
Dogdude84 (9:27:50 PM): well we know pete's list has sadie next
Brant Steele (9:28:10 PM): Yeah, but...is that significant?
Dogdude84 (9:28:18 PM): not rly
Brant Steele (9:28:23 PM): I mean I'm fine with her next
Dogdude84 (9:28:25 PM): only if we target her
Dogdude84 (9:28:26 PM): right
Brant Steele (9:28:27 PM): Just need Kenya's support
