Witches 5 ~ The Supernatural Day Two

After everyone goes to sleep quite a few people toss and turn. While one person is certain everyone else is asleep they get up and leave the room, not knowing a spirit is following them. As soon as the spirit is sure who this person is they go back to sleep...

While Marylou is really tossing and turning, Carmella smiles gleefully at those trapped in here with her, certain she is going to control everything

Mathew and Kady are inseparable and are completely left alone, seeking comfort with one another. Cody and Neva conspire to find a way out of the building, though end up giving up halfway through the night. Allan starts mumbling to someone not letting them sleep, though so drunk he couldn't tell you who it was he was talking to. Darryl keeps a gun in his hands, prepared to shoot someone if attacked! Serena then follows one person and hears them talking to someone

Clayton and Alejandra both get up, Clayton seeks out Javier and tells him to target three people only, then finds he cannot do anything else and goes back to sleep as Alejandra turns to a werewolf, and as Javier walks out of the bathroom, rips him to shreds and kills him instantly. As soon as he dies she turns back to normal and freaks out, not knowing she just killed the vampire's slave!

SANTOS is now out of the game. 12 Remain, what'll happen next!?

Deadline for Day 2
Friday, June 15th, 8pm EST

Majority Needs 7 votes.

Votes:

Pending Votes: 13
Amanda, Donna, Kiwi, Belasen, Marshall, Niki, DJ, Henry, Debani, Jordan, Michael, Kyle

Smells like a framejob. As much as certain people may not like Santos on this site I dont think they would kill him first out of spite. Thats my initial reaction anyways.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Someone killed Santos to frame Debani or, Debani just really can't stand to be in a game with Santos and has to keep proving a point. I dont think it's the latter, but i definately think the word frame comes to mind.

It's hard to say. I mean if you really did want Santos out, it'd be easy to go: look I'm bring framed you all! But just as easily...it could be a REAL frame. I dont know how the hell we're supposed to figure this shit out...lol

Okay, I had to reread the roles like 2 times to understand this but still am kinda confused...

So, Clayton is the vampire, Alejandra is the werewolf and Carmella is the witch. Each night the vamp and werewolf each pick a person and then the witch chooses who to kill. I thought this meant that Carmella (witch) would do the final killing, but in the post, Pete said "as Alejandra turns to a werewolf, and as Javier walks out of the bathroom, rips him to shreds and kills him instantly." So this makes it seem like the werewolf killed Santos. So maybe that means that although Carmella picks who gets killed, whoever's pick it was gets to actually do the killing? So this would mean whoever picked Santos to be killed was the werewolf and the witch agreed to killing him over whoever the other pick was.

Of course, the first person that comes to mind as far as who would want Santos dead, would be Debani, for obvious reasons. Then again, like you guys said, this could def. be a frame job.. I guess the question is, would Debani risk it killing Santos first, knowing it would put a little suspicion on him? Debani is a smart guy so I would think he'd realize that may not be his best first move. However, he REALLY can't stand Santos.. so I certainly wouldn't put it past him to kill him first. This is gonna be tricky..

Let me try and explain this a little better for everyone on how things go

The Witch, Vampire and Werewolf do not know who is who, including amongst themselves, meaning they do not discuss who to kill

The vampire chooses one person to kill, the werewolf chooses another

The witch tells me if they want the Vampire's kill to succeed or the Werewolf's. Only one succeeds in killing someone, the other does not.

Also, they cannot kill each other, so that could be a problem for themselves as well. If the Vampire or Werewolf chose one another, and the Witch chose the one that went to kill the other, they would fail automatically and the other would kill someone. If either chooses the Witch, again it would automatically go to the other persons choice.

Hope that makes sense, I'm a little tired so if you need me to clarify that more I can do that tomorrow morning.

Hmm.. a little confusing to understand but I get it. The witch choose the werewolf's pick to kill and it ended up being the vampire's assistant. I would say that is a good thing for the town because having Javier around would have just added confusion to things.. not to mention Santos' rants won't get in the way of our focus.

As for Santos being the one that was killed - I think anyones first thought is "It's NOT someone who doesn't like him" not "It's somebody who doesn't like him" so I actually think it would make sense for Debani to kill Santos because its SO obvious that no one would believe it. With not a lot to work off at the moment, that is my only thought at the moment.

Well, I may end up retracting my vote but for now my vote is on Debani.


Either its a frame or he hates santos that much. Nick, I would love to hear your thoughts.

I am going to vote for lynching Debani

The baddies don't know each other. The only way to catch them is to lynch. I'm voting to Lynch Debani too, gotta find something out here.

I don't think debani did it, he's too smart a player to even risk it.... I thought it was interesting that Henry pointed out straight away that it could be debani trying to trick us and voted for him... To me that seems like a plan of a killer... Just planting the seeds in our head....

I vote to lynch Henry

not too sure whats going on here....may take the donna route on this one and wait to see what nick has to say for himself befor my lynching rope go's cold.....make no mistake some one will be swinging by the end of the day

I didnt get that vibe from Henry's statement. Instead, it was something that Jordan said that made me decide to throw my vote on Debani, it was this statement:

Jordan wrote:

so I actually think it would make sense for Debani to kill Santos because its SO obvious that no one would believe it.

When I read Jordan's post the above line stood out to me and prompted me to see what Debani has to say about all of this.

I'm holding off until we hear from Debani, but in my eyes how much "intent" can be behind a night kill if someone is picking a kill and a second person is choosing it? I'm not defending Debani, I think I'm just as confused as everyone else here

My vote will wait to hear from Debani, but I find it odd that all of a sudden Kiwi doesn't want to senselessly lynch.

Jordan wrote:

Hmm.. a little confusing to understand but I get it. The witch choose the werewolf's pick to kill and it ended up being the vampire's assistant. I would say that is a good thing for the town because having Javier around would have just added confusion to things.. not to mention Santos' rants won't get in the way of our focus.

As for Santos being the one that was killed - I think anyones first thought is "It's NOT someone who doesn't like him" not "It's somebody who doesn't like him" so I actually think it would make sense for Debani to kill Santos because its SO obvious that no one would believe it. With not a lot to work off at the moment, that is my only thought at the moment.

This post actually makes a lot of sense to me. I do agree that having Javier gone makes it less confusing. Also, you have a great point.. My gut tells me that Debani probably would kill Santos first just cuz he hates him so much.. I mean.. he kept using the yield on him in TAR until he succeeded in taking him out, and even though he was a good character in the mafia game, he still voiced his happiness that the mafia took out Santos. Debani is a smart guy, and seems to do pretty well in games like these, so I'm sure he figured out that he could just play the "I was framed card" and it wouldn't be that hard for people to believe, cuz everyone knows he hates Santos. I do think that he would kill Santos first though.. as I think Santos would kill him first as well. Those two do not get along one bit.

I am going to vote Debani for now, but am willing to change my vote if convinced otherwise. ^_^

With over half of the votes needed for a lynch, we'd better be a bit cautious before we lynch someone we haven't heard from yet.

I find it obvious and probable that Debani would target Santos, but last round he could've as easily suggested that Santos get lynched after their blow-out and instead opted to challenge Santos to contribute still rather than default to the easy vote against him.

I think it might be a frame-job, but regarless it still got rid of a baddie, so I'm happy with the result cuz Santos would've been forced to guide us in the vampire's desired direction. Also, knowing that Santos is a strong player, the witch STILL agreed to kill him off without knowing he was a baddie.

If Debani is the werewolf and suggested to kill Santos, the witch doesn't like Santos too, or didn't like the other choice (or the other choice wasn't available).

Deadline for Day 2
Friday, June 15th, 8pm EST

Majority Needs 7 votes.

Votes:

DEBANI 4 - Amanda, Marshall, Henry, Niki
HENRY 1 - Belasen

Pending Votes: 7
Donna, Kiwi, DJ, Debani, Jordan, Michael, Kyle

so the Witch does not know who the Werewolf or the Vampire chooses, the witch just spells one of them to succeed and the other to fail.

Ill give him a chance to defend himself before locking a vote in.

Wow...

What an interesting turn of events. I am happy to see Santos go (admittedly), but unhappy to see that all fingers are pointing at me. It's kind of a bittersweet feeling.

You all need to give your heads a good shake though.

The baddies are getting exactly what they wanted here. Santos was onto something when he started asking the serious questions, so removing him accomplished two things. 1) take out somebody who is pushing the big questions that would result in some insight to the situation, and 2) make somebody innocent look guilty. Surely with the grand power of the witch coming into play, even if I was the werewolf and wanted to kill Santos, do you think the witch would have allowed for that to happen? If I were the witch in that situation, the smart thing would have been to see ahead at the suspicion it would raise and cut it off directly at the source. But then again, with the reaction we are seeing... we don't have the most intellectual of people playing here. More often than not in these games, I find myself in these positions of defense because my intelligence comes off as either suspicious to the townies, or a threat to the baddies.

This is totally obviously a setup. I would never kill somebody I have so publicly expressed a distaste for on the first round when, if I were bad, my intention would be to keep my role a secret. I did not kill Santos and am innocent. If you guys wish to lynch me and allow for the baddies to accomplish what they came here to do, then so be it. But we need to look at the bandwagoners and the indecisive members of this group (which is ultimately everyone).

Belasen, I appreciate you not jumping on the bandwagon and voting me. But I also do not understand you vote for Henry. It seems somewhat hasty.

To those who voted me, from what you know of me, do you really truly believe I would make such a foolish move when I (above all else) am competitive and want a win? I am here for the townies and will work towards a victory for us.

I think time and time again we make the mistake of allowing the silent players advance too far and it makes things quite difficult as the numbers dwell. We need to look at them, and determine whether their contribution will help or hinder the ultimate goal of lynching the Werewolf, Witch, and Vampire. I mean it is a big risk taking out somebody silent who could potentially be good or innocent but it is also a risk to jump on the "just because Debani hates Santos and he was killed, it must be Debani" theory. Seriously? Come on.

The witch did not know who targeted whom, he/she just chooses who they want to side. Vampire or Werewolf or at least thats how I understand it.

You're right, I just went back and read Pete's post. So the witch doesn't know who the werewolf or vampire are either? Makes it interesting, I guess the bottom line is nobody knows who anybody is. I guess that de-voids my point about the witch not allowing this to happen if I were the werewolf.

But the rest of my defense stands - and I am also not the only one who dislikes Santos. So maybe we should be looking at those people too if I am to be accused here.

I think that Debani is probably right. As I think it often is, the truth lies outside of what everyone is focusing on. A game like this punishes people who speak up (lookit what happened to me, lol) and allows the quiet people to pass on unobserved.

I don't know if Debani is or isn't a baddie? Odds are that he is NOT? But the bad deal here with the baddies not even knowing each others identities is how are we gonna know anything? The only way is lynching. I'm new, I don't know many of you well or how you play these games. But as far as I can determine, lynching is the only way and just hope you get lucky.

Though people seem to say, lynchings usually kill innocent people, so, hell if I know what we're supposed to do.

I feel like we are no better off than we were last day round, just with Santos dead, and nothing but suspicion to go on. Part of me wants to believe Debani, part of me wants to lynch him for calling me stupid.