w/ Brant
Brant Steele (8:04:56 PM): Aren't we up 7-6 now?
Dogdude84 (8:05:08 PM): yah
Dogdude84 (8:05:33 PM): oh that means we have to sit someone out, i don't think doug noticed that
Brant Steele (8:05:58 PM): Yeah I was wondering about that. It would be nice if we didn't have to.
Dogdude84 (8:06:25 PM): lol ya
Brant Steele (8:08:03 PM): I agree with your strategy.
Dogdude84 (8:08:24 PM): awesome
Dogdude84 (8:08:40 PM): they might think of the same strategy
Dogdude84 (8:08:47 PM): so i'm trying to think if we need to alter it
Brant Steele (8:08:55 PM): They did last time you thought of a strategy, right.
Dogdude84 (8:09:01 PM): yeah
Dogdude84 (8:09:11 PM): it made the most sense logically
Dogdude84 (8:11:01 PM): travis just suggested stacking and moving between 2 squares
Dogdude84 (8:11:10 PM): (moving our tribe)
Brant Steele (8:11:16 PM): Back and forth?
Dogdude84 (8:11:19 PM): right
Dogdude84 (8:11:33 PM): i dunno though, sticking with one square the entire time would almost be better
Brant Steele (8:12:51 PM): Yeah, it's just a risk since if they did all throw to the same square, they'd eliminate us all together.
Dogdude84 (8:13:01 PM): right
Brant Steele (8:13:23 PM): But if we stack together, no matter what we move back and forth between, we face that risk.
Dogdude84 (8:13:30 PM): yeah
Brant Steele (8:13:36 PM): I like the idea of going to all the colors
Brant Steele (8:13:41 PM): Together
Dogdude84 (8:13:42 PM): in a stack?
Dogdude84 (8:13:43 PM): yeah ok
Brant Steele (8:14:05 PM): It just seems less likely they'd hit us rather than having 20 tries if we're all together then we might be vulnerable
Brant Steele (8:14:14 PM): ...if you can make any sense of that statement
Dogdude84 (8:14:18 PM): i can
Brant Steele (8:14:35 PM): I meant to say if we're all on the same or the same two
Dogdude84 (8:14:38 PM): i think we should move in the order of the colors, to mess with them
Brant Steele (8:14:55 PM): I like that since there's an even number
Brant Steele (8:15:03 PM): If they do it backwards or something, we'll never collide
Dogdude84 (8:15:14 PM): yeah, and if they go random...who knows
Brant Steele (8:15:29 PM): Either in the order of the colors or random works for me
Dogdude84 (8:15:49 PM): on the other hand, if we assume they will use our same strategy (like last time), we need to think of a counter
Brant Steele (8:16:24 PM): Well if they use the same strategy, it's a complete crapshoot.
Brant Steele (8:17:02 PM): If they use the reverse-type strategy, I think that would be the problem.
Dogdude84 (8:17:26 PM): you mean if they space out and target one spot?
Brant Steele (8:17:55 PM): Right.
Dogdude84 (8:18:15 PM): well if they space out, we're better off
Dogdude84 (8:18:21 PM): more likely to hit them
Dogdude84 (8:18:41 PM): more likely to hit more of them in one turn, i mean
Brant Steele (8:19:24 PM): Yeah, probability-wise, slightly I think. Just if they target one spot, that's the huge problem if they hit us all.
Dogdude84 (8:19:35 PM): right
Brant Steele (8:19:58 PM): Could we possibly have 1 person not with the rest as a backup, or would that make us more prone to danger?
Dogdude84 (8:20:22 PM): well, if we all get picked off leaving that one person, they're basically boned anyway
Brant Steele (8:20:31 PM): True.
Dogdude84 (8:20:36 PM): and can't do any damage as one pie each turn
Brant Steele (8:21:01 PM): Yeah, that makes sense
Dogdude84 (8:21:23 PM): we might want to throw at one color for a few turns
Brant Steele (8:21:50 PM): We could possibly spend 12 turns going through all the colors in case they all stay on one
Brant Steele (8:22:27 PM): But idk if that's a worthwhile risk or not. If we distribute them correctly, we could hit 12 of them and not all together.
Brant Steele (8:22:36 PM): But 6 times each
Dogdude84 (8:23:02 PM): yeah
Dogdude84 (8:23:11 PM): i would like this better if it were like battleship
Dogdude84 (8:23:17 PM): where you gain intel after every turn
Brant Steele (8:24:18 PM): That would be incredibly fun.
Dogdude84 (8:24:35 PM): suppose that would take forever on a forum though
Brant Steele (8:24:54 PM): Yeah, unless we were all on together and Doug could give updates really fast.
Dogdude84 (8:25:04 PM): yah, or hold it on AIM, etc
Brant Steele (8:25:32 PM): Right. It would be interesting if we could pick our spots over a deadline
Brant Steele (8:25:43 PM): And then whoever is on could do it live on AIM like battleship
Brant Steele (8:25:52 PM): After we pick our own spots
Dogdude84 (8:25:56 PM): yah lol
Brant Steele (8:51:05 PM): I don't get what this means:
"For the throwing, I think we should all choose square in order to make sure that even if one of us is hit, we can still target each square."
Brant Steele (8:51:18 PM): Jonathan replied to your message
Brant Steele (8:52:10 PM): (and we have 6/7 people on AIM!)
Dogdude84 (10:03:44 PM): lmao at that message
Brant Steele (10:05:16 PM): I talked to Bryan who just agrees with you
Brant Steele (10:05:16 PM): lol
Brant Steele (10:05:25 PM): Jonathan's apparently approaching everyone and asking for alliances
Brant Steele (10:05:48 PM): and asking them about the vote if we lose
Dogdude84 (10:05:52 PM): lol he's screwing himself over
Dogdude84 (10:05:59 PM): being way too paranoid
Brant Steele (10:06:44 PM): Yeah, I'm just playing along. I have no idea if he really wants an alliance with me, but whatever, lol. He'll ask me about the vote, disappear, and come back and ask me again the next day.
Dogdude84 (10:06:56 PM): yeah
Dogdude84 (10:07:45 PM): he's been bugging me nonstop about an alliance with me, him, bryan, and kenya. i finally gave in and said "yeah, they want an alliance with you too!" just to get him to stop bugging me about it
Dogdude84 (10:07:55 PM): but i told bryan/kenya it's a lie, so they're just playing along
Dogdude84 (10:08:24 PM): it's so annoying, i can't wait to vote him out if we lose
Brant Steele (10:09:17 PM): Yeah, I'm looking forward to ousting him when that time comes.
Brant Steele (10:09:30 PM): I hope we can win and let Hornswoggler take out another huge threat, though. Like Ben.
Brant Steele (10:09:40 PM): That was another big shock to me.
Dogdude84 (10:09:41 PM): yeah that was nuts taking him out
Dogdude84 (10:09:43 PM): seriously
Brant Steele (10:10:32 PM): I wonder if Kyle and/or Ben found Glass Elevator and used them (or threatened to use them) and that's responsible for the weird votes. Who knows.
Dogdude84 (10:11:29 PM): oh yeah you know it could be
Dogdude84 (10:11:45 PM): i really want to know what you get when you go haha
Brant Steele (10:12:11 PM): Yeah, lol. I mentioned that in my last confessional entry and then just talked to Bryan and forgot to even mention it.
Dogdude84 (10:12:23 PM): ah
Brant Steele (10:13:01 PM): I don't want to make him paranoid and ask him yet even though I trust him. I'll just see if he volunteers that information at some point. If the time is right and we need to know it to help us plan, I'm sure he will.
Dogdude84 (10:13:28 PM): yeah, i'm not concerned about whatever his prize was, curious though haha
Brant Steele (10:14:10 PM): Right. I did notice when Ben went, he had 60 posts on the board that day. That's all I know, though...
Brant Steele (10:14:29 PM): I guess for now, we just need to focus on figuring out how to win this challenge
Brant Steele (10:14:40 PM): But everyone's just like "I agree with Cam" lol
Dogdude84 (10:15:17 PM): lmao
Brant Steele (10:15:48 PM): It'll be easy enough when we figure out exactly what we're doing to make 1 list for everyone with our spots and then 6 lists with the targets
Dogdude84 (10:16:00 PM): right
Dogdude84 (10:16:23 PM): i mean we could just figure something out, post it, and if people agree, they'll just send their respective PM's to doug
Brant Steele (10:17:02 PM): PM's?
Dogdude84 (10:17:12 PM): oh is it diary? i can't remember
Brant Steele (10:17:19 PM): Diary, not like it matters
Brant Steele (10:17:20 PM): yeah
Brant Steele (10:17:33 PM): So we can edit up until everyone's posted
Brant Steele (10:17:54 PM): But I figure we just post the list and keys for everyone and they'll follow suit. It'll be too random if we let everyone do it all on their own
Dogdude84 (10:18:04 PM): yeah
Brant Steele (10:18:28 PM): ...although with this type of challenge, that might end up being better. Which kinda sucks because we'll either look like geniuses or look too predictable and not very smart.
Dogdude84 (10:19:11 PM): mhm, it's just so hard to predict exactly which strategy they'll use
Dogdude84 (10:19:17 PM): so we just have to go with what's safest for us
Brant Steele (10:20:46 PM): Well if they spread and we use our spread-hitting strategy, each hit has a 1/12 chance of hitting them. So with 6 people, we have a 6/12 or 50% chance of hitting them each time. I think.
Dogdude84 (10:22:06 PM): yep
Brant Steele (10:22:09 PM): But then when someone gets hit, it messes up the probability which was already getting over my head.
Dogdude84 (10:22:09 PM): something like that lol
Dogdude84 (10:22:26 PM): well, when one of their players drops, our chances improve
Dogdude84 (10:22:45 PM): same number of chances to hit less people
Brant Steele (10:22:55 PM): Unless one of ours drops as well since then we'll only be able to cover 5/12
Brant Steele (10:22:56 PM): Right
Brant Steele (10:23:11 PM): I wish we had a Math professor playing this game right now on our tribe.
Dogdude84 (10:23:12 PM): yep, in the end, this is a very large crap shoot, as you put it before
Dogdude84 (10:23:15 PM): haha
Brant Steele (10:28:00 PM): I don't really think it makes sense for us to spend 12 of our hits stacking them together, because if they aren't stacked, we can only hit 1 max, and there's no guarantee for that.
Brant Steele signed off at 10:30:14 PM
Brant Steele signed on at 10:30:15 PM
Brant Steele (10:30:17 PM): (basically adding nothing to the strategy)
Brant Steele (10:30:56 PM): I think I was just disconnected. Meaning the last minute or so, some messages may have not come through or got distorted or whatever.
Dogdude84 (10:34:06 PM): think i got your messages
Brant Steele (10:36:38 PM): Alright, cool
Dogdude84 (10:58:19 PM): i'm writing up lists just because i want something set up
Dogdude84 (10:58:27 PM): if everyone likes the lists, we just post them in our diaries
Brant Steele (10:59:59 PM): I'm down with that. I was thinking it was best to take care of it tonight since people are busier during the day.
Dogdude84 (11:00:05 PM): yah
Brant Steele (11:00:57 PM): If you want any help or suggestions for anything, let me know. You do a ton, which is awesome, but I'm available for help if you want any.
Dogdude84 (11:01:32 PM): lol i'm putting such a huge target on my back organizing stuff, but i just want us to win haha
Brant Steele (11:02:38 PM): Yeah, I fully understand. I thought the same about myself the candy challenge and didn't even win it. -_- I think it's all good since the core 4 of our tribe won't hold it against you...and we can hopefully stop anyone else.
Dogdude84 (11:02:51 PM): yeah
Brant Steele (11:03:11 PM): I love it, though. And everyone I've talked to on our tribe loves you and appreciate your efforts or so they've said.
Dogdude84 (11:03:24 PM): <3 i appreciate all you do too
Brant Steele (11:03:31 PM): Yay
Dogdude84 (11:03:58 PM): we'd basically lose each challenge if it weren't for us
Brant Steele (11:04:42 PM): Yeah...The first challenge would have been awful, I honestly think based on what we've seen these past few rounds.
Brant Steele (11:05:09 PM): Even though at the time, we figured the other people didn't post because we were doing it all, I honestly don't think they would have done much even if we didn't post.
Dogdude84 (11:05:43 PM): yeah
Brant Steele (11:19:46 PM): You spread that out so all 6 are different each time plus 1-12 contain all colors and 13-20 contain no repeats?
Dogdude84 (11:20:03 PM): yeah check it out
Dogdude84 (11:20:06 PM): posted in our forum
Brant Steele (11:20:29 PM): Yeah, I was just looking at it and confirming that was what you were aiming for. I'll check it over a bit more
Dogdude84 (11:20:40 PM): yeah different colors for each person each round
Dogdude84 (11:20:46 PM): (for throwing)
Dogdude84 (11:21:42 PM): excel made this much easier lmfao
Brant Steele (11:21:43 PM): Yeah, gotcha.
Brant Steele (11:21:47 PM): Excel is godly.
Dogdude84 (11:21:51 PM): <3 excel haha
Brant Steele (11:22:21 PM): Yeah, lol. I use it for everything. Even just the ordering function makes it so much nicer to check for repeats and so forth.
Dogdude84 (11:22:39 PM): yeppers
Brant Steele (11:23:29 PM): Are you taking list #1?
Dogdude84 (11:23:41 PM): i can, sure
Brant Steele (11:23:56 PM): I mean, it's up to you. You'll just be taken out first if they hit, but it doesn't really matter.
Dogdude84 (11:24:02 PM): right
Brant Steele (11:24:23 PM): I can be #2 then. I just don't want to start typing up the list and have you say "I took #1"
Dogdude84 (11:24:34 PM): ah lol
Dogdude84 (11:24:52 PM): i'll go post and let you know once i'm done
Brant Steele (11:25:04 PM): You could just say "I'll take #1" in the post, lol.
Dogdude84 (11:25:14 PM): mhm
Brant Steele (11:25:15 PM): Before posting it or whatever
Dogdude84 (11:25:18 PM): kay lol
Brant Steele (11:25:36 PM): Idk, I think I'm going somewhat insane with pointless details. I do that at night sometimes.
Brant Steele (11:25:49 PM): And just get progressively more crazy as the night goes on
Dogdude84 (11:25:58 PM): lmao no it makes sense
Brant Steele (11:26:01 PM): Oh, you have the Excel file which makes this like 1,000 times easier
Dogdude84 (11:26:10 PM): lmfao
Dogdude84 (11:26:17 PM): let me post your list to you if you want #2
Brant Steele (11:26:35 PM): Yeah, that would be awesome.
Dogdude84 (11:26:41 PM): (edited my post to take #1)
Brant Steele (11:26:57 PM): I'll post that I'm taking numero dos.
Dogdude84 (11:27:00 PM): k
Dogdude84 (11:27:42 PM): oh it gets all weird and keeps the boxes when i copy/paste
Brant Steele (11:28:00 PM): What about in Notepad?
Dogdude84 (11:28:06 PM): lemme see
Brant Steele (11:28:08 PM): If you copy it over to it first?
Dogdude84 (11:28:46 PM): never use notepad lol (looks)
Dogdude84 (11:29:00 PM): test
Brant Steele (11:29:08 PM): test
Dogdude84 (11:29:14 PM): asd
Dogdude84 (11:29:36 PM): lkj
Dogdude84 (11:30:13 PM): test
Dogdude84 (11:30:36 PM): test
Dogdude84 (11:30:38 PM): ok there finally
Dogdude84 (11:30:47 PM): kept getting a "stack overflow" message from AIM
Dogdude84 (11:30:54 PM): because i tried to paste the chart in here haha
Brant Steele (11:31:05 PM): lol, ohhh. Stack overflows are fun.
Dogdude84 (11:31:49 PM): meh, i don't know where my notepad is, i don't use it haha
Dogdude84 (11:32:03 PM): just double check your list when you write it
Brant Steele (11:32:26 PM): Yeah, I'll double check. I feel like I'm dyslexic half the time when I type lists so I always do.
Dogdude84 (11:32:33 PM): hehe
Dogdude84 (11:32:55 PM): even if we hit the same spot in one turn, it won't be bad
Dogdude84 (11:33:14 PM): so if people mess up copying lists, so be it
Brant Steele (11:33:24 PM): Yeah, it's so luck-based anyway
Brant Steele (11:33:56 PM): It shouldn't matter. But again, awesome work and thanks.
Dogdude84 (11:34:04 PM): of course
Dogdude84 (11:34:06 PM): you're welcome
Dogdude84 (11:34:12 PM): the excel thing took about 5 minutes lol
Dogdude84 (11:34:18 PM): so much easier than what i was doing before
Dogdude84 (11:34:24 PM): trying to do it just in the reply window haha
Brant Steele (11:34:42 PM): lol, rofl
Brant Steele (11:35:01 PM): Just imagining a 20 x 6 table in here makes me laugh
Brant Steele (11:35:14 PM): I figure this will probably end over the night if the other tribe is organized
Dogdude84 (11:35:52 PM): certainly could, yeah
Brant Steele (11:46:07 PM): Alright posted and double checked, I think I'm heading out
Dogdude84 (11:46:20 PM): nite dude, me too
Brant Steele (11:47:05 PM): Lol, nice. I love signing on or off at the same time as someone else. It's completely suspicious even though it's a coincidence. But night and ttyl.
Dogdude84 (11:47:20 PM): bwahaha
Dogdude84 (11:47:23 PM): i don't even think about that
Dogdude84 (11:47:28 PM): nite dude, sleep well
